10 Die in Minnesota Student's Shooting Rampage

[sws4420]

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BEMIDJI, Minn. - A high school student went on a shooting rampage on an Indian reservation Monday, killing his grandparents at their home and then seven people at his school, grinning and waving as he fired, authorities and witnesses said. The suspect apparently killed himself after exchanging gunfire with police.

It was the nation's worst school shooting since the Columbine massacre in 1999 that killed 13 people.

One student said her classmates pleaded with the gunman to stop shooting.

"You could hear a girl saying, 'No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?" student Sondra Hegstrom told The Pioneer of Bemidji, using the name of the suspected shooter.

Before the shootings at Red Lake High School, the suspect's grandparents were shot in their home and died later. There was no immediate indication of the gunman's motive.

Authorities didn't identify the gunman, but a few media outlets identified him as Jeff Weise, citing students and tribal leaders. Accounts of Weise's age varied from 15 to 17, as did whether he was a current student at the school.

Relatives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise was a loner who usually wore black and was teased by other kids. Relatives told the newspaper his father committed suicide four years ago, and that his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident.

In addition to the shooter, the death toll at the school included five students, a teacher and a security guard, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said in Minneapolis. Among the dead was Neva Rogers, 62, a teacher at the school for five or six years, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

Fourteen to 15 other students were injured, McCabe said. Some were being cared for in Bemidji, about 20 miles south of Red Lake. Authorities closed roads to the reservation in far northern Minnesota while they investigated the shootings.

Hegstrom described the shooter grinning and waving at a student his gun was pointed at, then swiveling to shoot someone else. "I looked him in the eye and ran in the room, and that's when I hid," she told The Pioneer.

McCabe declined to talk about a possible connection between the suspect and the couple killed at the home, but Red Lake Fire Director Roman Stately said they were the grandparents of the gunman. He identified the shooter's grandfather as Daryl Lussier, a longtime officer with the Red Lake Police Department, and said Lussier's guns may have been used in the shootings.

Stately said the shooter had two handguns and a shotgun.

"After he shot a security guard, he walked down the hallway shooting and went into a classroom where he shot a teacher and more students," Stately told Minneapolis television station KARE.

Students and a teacher, Diane Schwanz, said the gunman tried to break down a door to get into her classroom.

"I just got on the floor and called the cops," Schwanz told the Pioneer. "I was still just half-believing it."

Ashley Morrison, another student, had taken refuge in Schwanz's classroom. With the shooter banging on the door, she dialed her mother on her cell phone. Her mother, Wendy Morrison, said she could hear gunshots on the line.

"'Mom, he's trying to get in here and I'm scared,'" Ashley Morrison told her mother, according to the newspaper.

All of the dead students were found in one room. One of them was a boy believed to be the shooter, McCabe said. He said it was too early to speculate on a motive.

Martha Thunder's 15-year-old son, Cody, was being treated for a gunshot wound to the hip.

"He heard gunshots and the teacher said 'No, that's the janitor's doing something,' and the next thing he knew, the kid walked in there and pointed the gun right at him," Thunder said, standing outside the hospital in Bemidji.

Police officers were posted at the hospital Monday night to discourage reporters from entering. When a reporter approached three men walking across a hospital parking lot, one broke down in tears, and the others said they had no comment.


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[sws4420]

:boom: :sniper: :bigun2:

[Cutesunshine]

I dunno wtf is wrong with kids these days. Its rediculous. Go to therapy if its that bad for ya... Fuck.

[sws4420]

:pistols: -You gave me a what on that paper?

[Mikey]

wow that's something. But since the kid had no parents but his grandparents i really don't know what the mind set of the kid was. I'm guessing he couldn't take being made fun of at school.

[dan]

He's just raging against the machine.

"....i told you I was hardcore."

[Mikey]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that is crazy....his granddad and grandma should have tried to talk to him about it.

[dan]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that is crazy....his granddad and grandma should have tried to talk to him about it.

They did.

"No, please don't shoot me, no STOP, PLEASE STOP!!!!! OH MY GOD YOU JUST SHOT YOUR GRANDMOTHER. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO YOU SON OF SATAN COCKSUCKING WHORE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Course, I'm just paraphrasing.

[dan]

Smart ass! This is the 2nd worst school shooting, next to Columbine of course. This kid had major issues.

Or the 2nd best school shooting. It's all how you look at it. I mean, yeah he was mental, but look how good he did! Plus, he was on his own, there was two of the Columbine kids. Gotta give him some credit.

[Mikey]

he was definitely mental....but i still think someone should have done something for him not to go on a shooting spree

[dan]

You are one sick man! :wub: This HS was only about 300 kids though. That was about the size of my HS. Columbine was HUGE therefore they needed 2 shooters. LOL

Yeah, but they didn't kill that many more people, they injured a few, but I bet if there were two of the kid in this story, at Columbine, he'd have taken out a grade or two.

[dan]

he was definitely mental....but i still think someone should have done something for him not to go on a shooting spree

Such as...?

Hindsight is 20/20 :eng101:

[Mikey]

sat down w/ him and talk about problems at school, idolizing hitler stuff like that

[mb*]

:pistols: -You gave me a what on that paper?
:laughing: :laughing:

[snobord447]

I read another article about this on another site... here's my question....

Why did a school that was "dangerous" enough to have a metal detector have an UNARMED guard at the door?

What was the metal detector for? To warn them that there was someone with a weapon coming to school? The guard obviously had no ability to stop the kid.

We know that the kid was fucked up... but there wasn't any security at the school either... worthless to have that guy standing at the door with no gun next to a metal detector.

[snobord447]

Good questions. I know that on some reservation schools in the midwest, knives are popular. I am not sure why a small school, only about 300 kids, would even need a metal detector and a guard in the first place. Unless they had some weapon problems before.

... in which case they should have had a fucking guard with a gun who would have shot the kid before getting in to kill 6 or 7 other students.

[dan]

The school didn't have security because it was a dangerous school, they were put in to effect after Columbine as a general precaution. Very rarely will they put an armed guard in a school.

[Cutesunshine]

I feel bad for the grandparents. They probably already raised their own kids, and didnt ask to raise another. The kids father killed himself, that right there leaves him fucked in the head, The mother is in a nursing home, That can fuck ya up in the head when yer a teenager, he was a loner, and dressed in all black, so more thanlikely he was targeted at School for teasing etc...
No wonder he shot up everyone.

[sws4420]

I bet I could get a lot further than this or even the Columbine kids. Fucking amateurs.

[mb*]

your avatar scares me.

[sws4420]

My avatar is the shiz nittle bang.

[Mikey]

hmmmmmmmmmmm i do like is avatar.....

[sws4420]

It's me.

[mb*]

yeah. keep dreaming.

[Mikey]

so.....i like mine.

[sws4420]

His name is 47, he's from the Hitman series for Playstation. Good game.

[Mikey]

i knew that guy looked familiar...my cousin rented it and it looked pretty good

[sws4420]

The killer:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/US/03/22/school.shooting/top.weise.01.jpg

[mb*]

and it's all so clear.

[Mikey]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm he doesn't look like he could hurt a fly

[Crystal]

I'm assuming that is him in his younger days :rolleyes:

I feel bad for him and the others involved. That kid should have been getting help from the moment his father killed himself.

[Mikey]

agreed crys

[mb*]

agreed crys
:heartattack:

[Crystal]

:heartattack:

:laughing: :rotflmao: :laughing: :rotflmao:

[mb*]

:laughing: :rotflmao: :laughing: :rotflmao:
:love:

[Mikey]

hmmmmmmm why is she having a heartattack over me agreeing w/ crystal...the work must be getting to her

[Rob - banned]

Or the 2nd best school shooting. It's all how you look at it. I mean, yeah he was mental, but look how good he did! Plus, he was on his own, there was two of the Columbine kids. Gotta give him some credit.

He was even smart enough to take his Grandfathers bullet proof vest and wear that as well before entering the High School

[Rob - banned]

More..

The Minnesota teenager responsible for Monday's high school shooting spree last year created a violent, blood-soaked video that included an animated character shooting four people and blowing up a police car before committing suicide. Using the alias "Regret," Jeff Weise, 16, last October posted online a 30-second animation entitled "Target Practice." Click here to view Weise's crudely animated Flash production. Weise posted a second short, "Clown," several weeks after uploading "Traget Practice" to a popular multimedia web site. The 50-second "Clown" ends with one character apparently being strangled by the clown. In a brief bio accompanying his Flash animations, Weise described himself as "nothin but a Native American teenage-stoner-industrialist," whose favorite movies included "Dawn of the Dead," "Thunderheart," and "Lakota Woman." His favorite recording artists included Korn, Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, and John Lennon. The web page with links to Weise's two Flash animations includes his photo and an e-mail address (decemberofthesoul@hotmail.com) that the teen used when posting 34 comments on the web site nazi.org, where Weise used the handles "nativenazi" and "todesengel," which translates to "angel of death" in German. According to police, Weise's killing rampage began with the murder of his grandfather and the man's female companion and ended at Red Lake High School, where he killed an unarmed security guard, a teacher, and five fellow students before apparently committing suicide. Seven others were wounded, including two teenage victims who remain in critical condition at a North Dakota hospital.

[Mikey]

wow it gets more and more distrubing

[Cutesunshine]

Kids a sick freak.

[mb*]

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/03/22/image682320x.jpg

i found another pic of this kid today.

[Cutesunshine]

whats with the marks on his arm?

[Rob - banned]

whats with the marks on his arm?

unbathed.

[Rob - banned]

I found his LiveJournal haha

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=weise

[sws4420]

Yeah, he sounds stable.


So fucking naive man, so fucking naive.

Always expecting change when I know nothing ever changes.

I've seen mothers choose their man over their own flesh and blood, I've seen others choose alocohol over friendship.

I sacrifice no more for others, part of me has fucking died and I hate this shit.

I'm living every mans nightmare and that single fact alone is kicking my ass, I really must be fucking worthless. This place never changes, it never will. Fuck it all.

[sws4420]

Or:


The instrument of my resurrection was supposed to be freedom. But there isn’t an open sky or endless field to be found where I reside, nor is there light or salvation to be discovered.

Right about now I feel as low as I ever have.

I don’t think it’s a big secret why, really.

My biggest disappointment and downfall came from what was supposed to be the one thing to lift me from the grave I’m continually digging for myself.

Nah, never. Only the worthy are saved, y’know.

I don’t know, but what I do know is I’m a retarded fuck for ever believing things would change for me. I’m starting to regret sticking around, I should’ve taken the razor blade express last time around… Well, whatever, man. Maybe they’ve got another shuttle comin’ around sometime soon?

Ciao.

[sws4420]

From Nazi.org


weise
Freethinker
Member

Posted on 13-5-2004 at 11:06 PM

They pegged me as a possible school shooter earlier this year, or wait, that was last month.

Apparently someone was supposed to shoot up the school on 4/20, and there was alot of buzz around me, and for good reasons I guess.

I wear combat boots (with my pant legs tucked into them), wear a trench coat, and at the last basketball game my friend Mac, (who happens to wear a black trench coat like mine), did a "Sieg Heil" during the national anthem (for shock value), so they had us pegged as "Trench Coat Mafia." My "friend" Rose even said that I fit the profile of a school shooter that she saw on 60 minutes. They also pinned it on me because 4/20 happens to be Adolf Hitlers birthday, and I seem to be the only one who promotes National Socialist beliefs (not the stereotypical "White Power" bs you hear racists shouting, either). So it's not hard to label a school shooter.

I happen to be "not so popular," Gothic (in the sense that I wear nothing but black, spike my hair in "devil" horns, and listen to music like Cradle of Filth and KoRn), and happen to be an emotionally disturbed person, if you could call me that. So it's really no problem slapping a label on someone because they fit the stereotype. And no, I wasn't the one who did the threat. On "Game day" (4/20) the Feds were all around the place, watching, cop cars on nearly every corner around the school and a few large unmarked black vans sitting around, I bet they were on standby. So they WERE prepared for something to happen.

(PS, I'm not a white supremecist, can't even spell it, I'm a Native American, Ojibwa, living on the Redlake Indian Reservation in Minnesota, and lets not have this turn into a hardcore political discussion about my political ideals, ok?)

[sws4420]

Or:

weise most clearly expressed his philosophy in the following statement of frustration with the raceless, cultureless void of liberal industrial society: "The Natives you've known to be sympathetic to the cause are probably ones who've experienced firsthand what kind of problems cultural and race mixing can cause. As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing there are barely any full blooded Natives left. Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run rampant. Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly... That is, if we haven't already become too soft from the way this materialistic life-style has made us, and that is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist; people are so misinformed, ignorant, and closed-minded it makes your life a living hell."

[Rob - banned]

you would think school officials would take a bit more notice. I mean when I was in high school of course there were those "misfits" so to say .. very select few who wore the long black trenchcoats .. hey .. even possible ones who could do something "like" what you hear on the news .. but still ..

again .. combat boots (pantlegs tucked in) .. trenchcoat .. maybe the "sieg heil" might have set off a red flag. I feel alot of this school stuff can be prevented and alot of people who commented earlier in this thread .. I agree .. It starts at home and if parents were more sociable with their kids and were on top of things I think you would see a decrease in this type of activity

[Rob - banned]

However with the LiveJournal up above the FBI deleted some of his entries so what's being posted is mild compared to what was in there he had posted

Jeepers.

[mb*]

I've seen mothers choose their man over their own flesh and blood,

whores. :hmm:

[mb*]

i did a lot of readin up on this today at work. i was way bored. i'd like to find some updated shit tho. more information about this kid. i did find this in one article, found it interesting. and extremely sad.


Other fatal school shootings in the United States:

-Sept. 24, 2003: Two students - Aaron Rollins, 17, and Seth Bartell, 14 - were fatally shot at Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minn. Fellow student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time of the shooting, awaits trial in the case.

-March 5, 2001: Charles Williams, 15, killed two fellow students and wounded 13 others at Santana High School in Santee, Calif., in San Diego County. Williams was sentenced to 50-years-to-life in prison.

-May 26, 2000: 13-year-old honor student Nathaniel Brazill killed his English teacher, Barry Grunow, on the last day of classes in Lake Worth, Fla. after the teacher refused to let him talk with two girls in his classroom. He was convicted of second-degree murder and is serving a 28-year sentence

-Feb. 29, 2000: Six-year-old boy shot and killed six-year-old classmate at Buell Elementary School in Mount Morris Township, Mich. Because of his age, the boy was not charged.

-Nov. 19, 1999: 13-year-old girl shot in the head in school at Deming, N.M., and died the next day. A 12-year-old boy later pleaded guilty and was sentenced to at least two years in juvenile prison.

-Apr. 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

-May 21, 1998: Two teenagers were killed and more than 20 people hurt when a teenage boy opened fire at a high school in Springfield, Ore., after killing his parents. Kip Kinkel, 17, was sentenced to nearly 112 years in prison.

-May 19, 1998: Three days before his graduation, Jacob Davis, an 18-year-old honour student, opened fire at a high school in Fayetteville, Tenn., killing a classmate who was dating his ex-girlfriend. Davis was later sentenced to life in prison.

-April 24, 1998: Andrew Wurst, 15, opened fire at an eighth-grade dance in Edinboro, Pa., killing a science teacher. The boy pleaded guilty to third-degree murder and other charges and is serving 30 to 60 years in prison.

-March 24, 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, fired on their Jonesboro, Ark., middle school from nearby woods, killing four girls and a teacher and wounding 10 others. Both boys were later convicted of murder and can be held until age 21.

-Dec. 1, 1997: Three students were killed and five wounded at Heath High School in West Paducah, Ky. Michael Carneal, 14-year-old, later pleaded guilty but mentally ill to murder and is serving life in prison.

-Oct. 1, 1997: Sixteen-year-old Luke Woodham of Pearl, Miss., fatally shot two students to death and wounded seven others after stabbing his mother to death. He was sentenced the following year to three life sentences plus 140 years.

-Feb. 19, 1997: A 16-year-old boy took a shotgun and a bag of shells to school in Bethel, Alaska, and killed the principal and a student and injured two others. Evan Ramsey is serving a 210-year sentence.


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[Rob - banned]

.. as I was saying up above

"The clues were all there," said Kim Desjarlait, Weise's step-aunt, who lives in Minneapolis. "Everything was laid out, right there, for the school or the authorities in Red Lake to see it coming. I don't want to blame Red Lake, but did they not put two and two together? This kid was crying out, and those guys chose to ignore it. They need to start focusing on their kids."

[Mikey]

now that i agree w/ the step-aunt....he did sound like he was asking for help and no one helped him

[Rob - banned]

As authorities sought today to figure out what stoked Jeff Weise's rage enough to drive him to kill nine people and then himself, perhaps the teen summed it up best himself:

"16 years of accumulated rage suppressed by nothing more than brief glimpses of hope, which have all but faded to black," he wrote in an undated personal biography on one Web site. "I can feel the urges within slipping through the cracks, the leash I can no longer hold…."

In the same bio, he listed his occupation as "doormat," and said he was located in "endless scrutiny, Minnesota, United States."

When Weise turned to online journals and discussion boards to unload his thoughts, they were sometimes thoughtful, often cryptic and only occasionally hopeful, but one thing permeated all the writings: a great, weighty darkness that never let him be.

"I sacrifice no more for others, part of me has f---ing died and I hate this s--t," the 16-year-old wrote in his last entry dated Jan. 27. "I'm living every mans nightmare and that single fact alone is kicking my ass, I really must be f---ing worthless. This place never changes, it never will. F--- it all."

His online journal, autobiographical sketches and other of his writings reviewed by the Pioneer Press show an angry, troubled youth who seemed to revel in his anger and trouble. He wrote about life as if it were a dead-end street in a bad neighborhood.

"I'm nothin' but your average Native American stoner," he wrote in his bio on the site. "I'm mellow half the time, mostly natural, but mostly drug induced as well. I'm not a junkie, or an alcoholic, MJ is my gal' of choice. Enough about that though, I don't know why you're reading this anyway. I'm gonna roll this joint so I'll c'ya later…."

In the public profile he wrote on another Web page, he listed his hobbies and interests as, "Planning Waiting Hating."

His entries on one site featured a photo of the band Nirvana - whose founder, Kurt Cobain, famously committed suicide in 1994. There are three entries, and they provide a sense that he was on a mental roller-coaster ride of some sort.

The first entry, written on Dec. 14, he introduces "my new journal, in which I will put my thoughts down to words. My view on the days past events and whatnot, my two cents on the world in general."

He also invited readers to visit a message board for the band he played in, named 6sik6. He played guitar, but it could not immediately be determined if 6sik6 got beyond its teen garage band dreams.

"We haven't heard of the band, and we have heard of most local bands," said Larry Overbeek, who runs Overbeek Electronics and Music in Bemidji, a half-hour's drive south of the Red Lake reservation where Weise lived.

"We're the only ones around here who have live entertainment and we ain't never heard of that band here," said Bob Lind at the Hard Times Saloon in Bemidji.