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MedicCook
11-17-2006, 12:00 AM
Report: Gitmo detainees denied witnesses

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - The U.S. military called no witnesses, withheld evidence from detainees and usually reached a decision within a day as it determined that hundreds of men detained at Guantanamo Bay were "enemy combatants," according to a new report.

The analysis of transcripts and records by two lawyers for Guantanamo detainees, aided by more than two dozen law students, found that hearings that determined whether a prisoner should remain in custody gave the accused little opportunity to contest allegations against him.

"These were not hearings. These were shams," said Mark Denbeaux, an attorney and Seton Hall University law professor who along with his son, Joshua, is the author of the report. They provided an advance copy of the report to The Associated Press late Thursday and planned to release it Friday on the Internet.

Their report, based on an analysis of records of military hearings of 393 detainees, comes as the U.S. government seeks to severely restrict detainee access to civilian courts, arguing that the Combatant Status Review Tribunals should be their main legal recourse.

Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman, dismissed the findings as "recycled allegations," and noted the tribunals gave each detainee an opportunity to contest their designation as an enemy combatant.

"It is not a criminal trial and is not intended to determine guilt or innocence," Gordon said. "Rather, it is an administrative process ... to confirm the status of enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo as part of the Global War on Terrorism."

The military held Combatant Status Review Tribunals for 558 detainees at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay in southeast Cuba between July 2004 and January 2005 and found all but 38 were enemy combatants. Handcuffed detainees appeared before a panel of three officers with no defense attorney, only a military "personal representative."

According to the report, the representatives said nothing in the hearings 14 percent of the time and made no "substantive" comments in 30 percent. In some cases, the representative even appeared to advocate the government's position, the report said.

The report is based on transcripts of tribunals that the government first released earlier this year in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by The Associated Press as well additional records provided by lawyers for 102 Guantanamo detainees.

Twenty-one first-year law students at Seton Hall University in Newark, N.J., analyzed the documents to create a database analyzed by eight second- and third-year students.

Among their findings:

• The government did not produce any witnesses in any hearing.

• The military denied all detainee requests to inspect the classified evidence against them.

• The military refused all requests for defense witnesses who were not detained at Guantanamo.

• In 74 percent of the cases, the government denied requests to call witnesses who were detained at the prison.

• In 91 percent of the hearings, the detainees did not present any evidence.

• In three cases, the panel found that the detainee was "no longer an enemy combatant," but the military convened new tribunals that later found them to be enemy combatants.

"No American would ever consider this to be hearing," Denbeaux said. "This is a show trial."

The U.S. military now holds about 430 men at Guantanamo on suspicion of links to al-Qaida or the Taliban and holds Administrative Review Boards for them once a year to determine whether they should still be held, released or transferred to another country.

The Military Commissions Act, which President Bush signed on Oct. 17, strips all non-U.S. citizens held under suspicion of being an enemy combatant of their right to challenge their detention in civilian courts with petitions of habeas corpus.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_combatant_hearings

sws4420
11-17-2006, 08:46 AM
Good. Fuck with us again and see what happens.

BigD
02-21-2007, 07:43 PM
Good. Fuck with us again and see what happens.

Did they fuck with you? What did they do?

You're an American who doesn't believe that everyone deserves the chance to respond to charges against them?

Absolutely amazing...:ohmy:

sws4420
02-22-2007, 06:10 AM
They're not Americans and are guaranteed no rights in my country. I don't believe everyone on the planet is entitled to the same rights as I am, especially ones who have been detained for attacks on my citizens and our allies.

BigD
02-22-2007, 06:47 AM
They're not Americans and are guaranteed no rights in my country. I don't believe everyone on the planet is entitled to the same rights as I am, especially ones who have been detained for attacks on my citizens and our allies.

Our country's founders believed that our rights were God-given and wrote a Constitution in order to prevent our government from taking our rights away from us.

If God gave us our rights then wouldn't he also have given them to everyone else too?

I hate to talk about "reading comprehension" but since you like to spout that phrase yourself...Those folks were not "detained for attacks on my citizens and our allies" as you claim. They were detained for "suspicion" of terrorist connections. Some of them have done nothing at all. Some just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got scooped up as part of a group of people.

EVERYONE, regardless of who they are, has a right to be charged and have an opportunity to defend themselves against any charges against them.

Unless of course you're of the opinion that our government can do no wrong...

...our founding fathers didn't believe that at all.

sws4420
02-22-2007, 08:04 AM
The Constitution guarantees rights to the citizens of the US, not the planet.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And not everyone was detained for 'suspicions'. As much as you might hate to admit it, a lot of them actually did do something wrong.

BigD
02-22-2007, 10:19 AM
The Constitution guarantees rights to the citizens of the US, not the planet.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And not everyone was detained for 'suspicions'. As much as you might hate to admit it, a lot of them actually did do something wrong.


The US Constitution wasn't written to give you rights, it was written to stop the government from taking rights that God gave you.

Yes, it was adopted by the people of the US, to prevent the government from seizing power over you.

If God gave us certain rights it would be common sense to conclude that he meant for people outside the US to have those same rights too.

So now you admit that some folks in Cuba may not have done anything?:huh: Shouldn't they be entitled to a trial and the opportunity to defend themselves? :huh: Of course they should. It's a dumb argument.

Dave
02-22-2007, 10:26 AM
The only thing I like about Cuba is the cigars.

MedicCook
02-22-2007, 11:07 AM
The only thing I like about Cuba is the cigars.

You got any Dave? I have yet to try a Cuban.

MedicCook
02-22-2007, 11:10 AM
What scares me about some of the things that happened at Gitmo, is that we are doing to them the exact thing that we go to wars over and try to stop others from doing. We as a country have been brought down to their level. I know this is nothing new and the US has been doing things like this around the world for years and years, but in this age of media it gets out to the public easier.

Dave
02-22-2007, 11:19 AM
You got any Dave? I have yet to try a Cuban.

I bought a bunch while I was in Burmuda. They were pretty cheap. I still have a few. I wish I bought more. I think they're the best I have ever smoked. Rolled well with a nice flavor and pleasing smell. Very easy to keep lit. I think it's hard to find any around here that are close to the quality. Unless, of course, you spend a ton of money.

MedicCook
02-22-2007, 11:36 AM
I bought a bunch while I was in Burmuda. They were pretty cheap. I still have a few. I wish I bought more. I think they're the best I have ever smoked. Rolled well with a nice flavor and pleasing smell. Very easy to keep lit. I think it's hard to find any around here that are close to the quality. Unless, of course, you spend a ton of money.

My current fall back are Fonseca's. I usually try to get something new when I go to Smokin' Sam's though.

sws4420
02-22-2007, 11:42 AM
The US Constitution wasn't written to give you rights, it was written to stop the government from taking rights that God gave you.

Yes, it was adopted by the people of the US, to prevent the government from seizing power over you.

If God gave us certain rights it would be common sense to conclude that he meant for people outside the US to have those same rights too.

So now you admit that some folks in Cuba may not have done anything?:huh: Shouldn't they be entitled to a trial and the opportunity to defend themselves? :huh: Of course they should. It's a dumb argument.I think they should be dropped in a fucking blender and used as fertilizer, to be honest.

BigD
02-22-2007, 03:28 PM
I think they should be dropped in a fucking blender and used as fertilizer, to be honest.


All muslims or just the ones unlucky enough to have been scooped up and sent to Cuba?:huh:

sws4420
02-22-2007, 09:27 PM
Any of them that attempt to fuck with us or even think about fucking with us.

Any of them that look at us the wrong way.

Any of them that fart when we're downwind.

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit.

BigD
02-23-2007, 07:18 AM
Any of them that attempt to fuck with us or even think about fucking with us.

Any of them that look at us the wrong way.

Any of them that fart when we're downwind.

I. Don't. Give. A. Shit.

Gee, I wonder why they want to kill you...:whistle:

sws4420
02-23-2007, 07:48 AM
They want to kill me because most of them are illiterate and they take the words of radical clerics who tell them that killing is a noble thing to do in the eyes of Muhammad, when in fact that's not true. Being that they in a theocracy, I think it'd be a help if they knew the true intentions in the Quran rather than just taking the word of the people they choose to follow.