View Full Version : Second US carrier arrives off the coast of Iran...for no reason whatsoever...*whistles*
sws4420
02-21-2007, 06:00 AM
A SECOND US aircraft carrier arrived in Middle Eastern waters today as promised by US President George W Bush amid an escalating crisis with nearby Iran over its nuclear program.
The USS John C Stennis and its accompanying strike group joined the USS Dwight D Eisenhower in the Sea of Oman but has not yet entered Gulf waters, the US Fifth Fleet said from its base in Manama.
The Stennis "entered the US 5th Fleet area of operations ... to conduct maritime security operations in regional waters, as well as to provide support for ground forces operating in Afghanistan and Iraq", said a US statement.
Mr Bush on January 10 unveiled his new strategy for Iraq which included deploying a second aircraft carrier group and a Patriot anti-missile defence system "to reassure our friends and allies".
Washington accuses arch-foe Tehran of stoking the insurgency in Iraq and of seeking to develop a nuclear bomb, charges denied by the Islamic republic.
Days after Mr Bush's announcement, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said the Stennis's redeployment was a signal to Iran, which, he said, has a "very negative" attitude.
Iran has also been carrying out military exercises in the region, including test-firing missiles and building drones that military commanders boasted could hit the US navy.
The White House has repeatedly insisted it has no plans to strike Iran, and downplayed the significance of reinforcing the US military presence in the Gulf region.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21259590-5005961,00.html
You find that amusing?:huh:
We don't have enough troops to handle our current problems and you think provoking another war is a good idea now?:huh:
I actually find that funny being that when we start another war we'll need a draft to raise our troop numbers...and you're just the right age to be drafted.:ohmy:
Go ahead...keep waving your flag and cheering the Idiot-in-Chief on...
By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you feel that we have the right to tell Iran what they can and can't do?:huh:
Cutesunshine
02-21-2007, 07:59 AM
WE as in the US, Dont have a right to tell Iran what to do. But the UN does. We arent provoking another war... It's call intimidation. Iran stands no chance against us, even with our limited number of troops.
If Bill was drafted, I would stand strongly by him as ANY military family member would do. And I think he'd proudly go to war. Unfortunately, our son is classified as terminally ill, and Bill would be exempt from the draft.
"Iran stands no chance against us, even with our limited number of troops."
Yeah, that's what they said about Iraq too. How many troops are stuck there now?:huh:
Cutesunshine
02-21-2007, 08:23 AM
Iraq isnt about their military hurting or killing our military. We have a good portion of the country secured except for pockets which house insurgents. We WILL have the country secured. Our Troops WILL take care of it and come home safely when the job is done.
sws4420
02-21-2007, 08:23 AM
I posted the fucking article you moron. I didn't say that I supported it.
I posted the fucking article you moron. I didn't say that I supported it.
You also put your little whistling smiley on it. That shows what you thought of it.
How about watching the language? I'm not losing my temper and yelling obscenities at you.
Sit down, count to ten, and relax. It's hard to defend, Bush ain't it?:laughing:
Cutesunshine
02-21-2007, 08:54 AM
We dont have to defend bush. He still got the majority vote 2 years ago. And he's here till next year. Its YOU that has to deal with that.
Donna
02-21-2007, 09:11 AM
You also put your little whistling smiley on it. That shows what you thought of it.
How about watching the language? I'm not losing my temper and yelling obscenities at you.
Sit down, count to ten, and relax. It's hard to defend, Bush ain't it?:laughing:
there's one in every crowd isn't there? Now people can read pictures and tell me what I'm thinking.........:ohwow:
Donna
02-21-2007, 09:16 AM
You find that amusing?:huh:
We don't have enough troops to handle our current problems and you think provoking another war is a good idea now?:huh:
I actually find that funny being that when we start another war we'll need a draft to raise our troop numbers...and you're just the right age to be drafted.:ohmy:
Go ahead...keep waving your flag and cheering the Idiot-in-Chief on...
By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you feel that we have the right to tell Iran what they can and can't do?:huh:
For me, the article tells us that we are taking precautionary measures to protect ourselves and our allies........isn't that what our idiot-in-chief is supposed to do? PROTECT and SERVE? We haven't been attacked since 9-11.....I'd say the measures WE'VE taken since have kept us safe at harbor here. I'm still proud to be an american, and whether I'm a democrat or republican, whoever is president has always gotten my respect, because I do believe they're doing their best. Well, except Bill......:emot-head , but he's just one that got caught...
Cutesunshine
02-21-2007, 10:09 AM
For me, the article tells us that we are taking precautionary measures to protect ourselves and our allies........isn't that what our idiot-in-chief is supposed to do? PROTECT and SERVE? We haven't been attacked since 9-11.....I'd say the measures WE'VE taken since have kept us safe at harbor here. I'm still proud to be an american, and whether I'm a democrat or republican, whoever is president has always gotten my respect, because I do believe they're doing their best. Well, except Bill......:emot-head , but he's just one that got caught...
Yer 100% correct. we havent been attacked... He's keeping his citizens safe... which is what he is supposed to do. He's more vigilant, which is what the person he replaced wasnt. :dizzy:
I believe being our countries president is the hardest job out there. i wouldnt want it. No matter what you decide to do... SOMEONE isnt going to be happy... and every action is going to be on a chopping block for someone to criticize you. I think George W Bush is the most AMERICAN president we've ever had.
sws4420
02-21-2007, 10:31 AM
You also put your little whistling smiley on it. That shows what you thought of it.
How about watching the language? I'm not losing my temper and yelling obscenities at you.
Sit down, count to ten, and relax. It's hard to defend, Bush ain't it?:laughing:Actually, that's the context the article was listed as on the site I took it from. In all actuality, being that I own this board, I can put any smilie I want on any article I want.
You want my opinion on the matter? I think we could and that we should bomb the living shit out of all Iran's strategic targets.
You'll also get nowhere telling me to watch my language on my board. It's mine, I'll say what I please. Don't sit there and think anything you say gets me riled up in real life. It actually makes me smile to see people like you live to the age of forty and have no sense of anything that's going on around you. You are an infant sitting in a high chair and you're being spoonfed news reports and other sensationalist crap and you're gobbling up every morsel of it. It's awesome.
In no way was I defending Bush anywhere in this thread, so I'm going to toss that into the pile of stupid shit you keep spewing. It's getting sort of big.
We dont have to defend bush. He still got the majority vote 2 years ago. And he's here till next year. Its YOU that has to deal with that.
Since you brought it up...
Uhh...no, he didn't.
Two election workers in an Ohio county were recently convicted of a felony for rigging the recount in the last election...
Did you catch that documentary on HBO, "Hacking The Vote"? They were shown in that.:cry2:
Actually, that's the context the article was listed as on the site I took it from. In all actuality, being that I own this board, I can put any smilie I want on any article I want.
You want my opinion on the matter? I think we could and that we should bomb the living shit out of all Iran's strategic targets.
You'll also get nowhere telling me to watch my language on my board. It's mine, I'll say what I please. Don't sit there and think anything you say gets me riled up in real life. It actually makes me smile to see people like you live to the age of forty and have no sense of anything that's going on around you. You are an infant sitting in a high chair and you're being spoonfed news reports and other sensationalist crap and you're gobbling up every morsel of it. It's awesome.
In no way was I defending Bush anywhere in this thread, so I'm going to toss that into the pile of stupid shit you keep spewing. It's getting sort of big.
:rotflmao:
Cutesunshine
02-21-2007, 11:49 AM
Since you brought it up...
Uhh...no, he didn't.
Two election workers in an Ohio county were recently convicted of a felony for rigging the recount in the last election...
Did you catch that documentary on HBO, "Hacking The Vote"? They were shown in that.:cry2:
Was that a documentary by Michael Moore? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:ram:
sws4420
02-21-2007, 11:50 AM
Did you catch that documentary on HBO, "Hacking The Vote"? They were shown in that.:cry2:And if it was on HBO, you can take it to the bank.
HBO, the first name in documentaries.
So you'd prefer to just keep your head in the ground?
"Hacking Democracy"-check your listings and watch it. What are you afraid of?
They had to do a 10% sample recount to see if the complete recount was warranted and they "precounted" the 10% sample to make sure that it matched so that they didn't have to do the full recount. In the documentary they actually defend this by saying that that's what they always do.
The documentary was being filmed about electronic voting machines but this issue was caught on film as well and ended up leading to charges against the poll workers.
There's some great footage of how things work in Florida too.
sws4420
02-21-2007, 01:47 PM
I prefer to keep stupid claims of documentary directors from entering into some realm of absolute truth. Just because someone claims something doesn't make it true. Look at Fahrenheit 9/11. If I was someone who didn't follow politics or world events I'd be appalled at how things are in the world and this country. Being that I know a lot of it to be false, the credibility of the film plummets to almost nothing. It's not having my head in the sand, it's applying credibility to the claims made based on who's making them.
I've seen the show. Hardly anything to get worked up over. Personally, I'm for the old fashioned voting machines. There's no need to introduce a technological variable into something as important as political elections.
Uhh...those folks are on camera explaining what they did. They didn't see anything wrong with it.
It's not the director's opinion. It's a fact, and a prosecutor and jury agreed.
Holy crap....give it up BigD. The way I see it is that
1) we need the troop surge to gain ground in a war that we may or may not have any business being a part of. They need us and we are doing more good than bad. One example might be to ask the troops that get thanked every day from the children that can now go to school and get an education,
2) you sign on the line and you are government property (period). You do what the "man" wants when the "man" wants you to do it. Just ask my brother. he was discharged about two months before the first war and would have gone back in a flash to defend the country he lives in with no questions asked. If the kids don't like or don't know what they are in for, they shouldn't be there in the first place,
3) leave the old voting machines alone. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Hanging chads in the Florida punch cards are broken, move them at least to the current and give them one of our non-electronic machines,
4) I could make a documentary claiming that my farts dont stink and I'm sure you and a thousand other people would believe me, and finally
5) you're messing with the wrong Chairman. He's smarter than the average human and, from what I've seen in my short time being here, can (and has been very successful so far) put your ass in a sling when it comes to political or other forms of debate. Bill is up for the challenge any day and seems to keep current with the events that are happening around him. I give him props and agree with many of his arguements.
trojanmiro
02-21-2007, 05:03 PM
my neighbor was in afghanistan. hes inactive reserve right now. another friend of mine was in iraq. they cant stand the protesting of the war. their words, not mine, "when you sign up for the military you cant be pissed off if your country goes to war. you knew the possibilities of danger before you enlisted. just because you may have enlisted during peace time, does not mean something may arise. shut up and get over it". majority of the shit being displayed on the news is anti war propaganda. as dave was saying, alot of good things are being done over there. and technically speaking, we are not starting a war with iran. if anything, iran has already started the war. most of the insurgents are iranians. the other majority are from syria. but in my opinion, basically, by iran sending armed militia into iraq to fight us, they have already started the war. and not listening to the un just shows how bold they are willing to be. i admit, it would be wise to have the un anction such a war so as we are not fighting this one alone. thats the biggest problem i have with the iraq war. no one complained about the iraq war after 9/11 though. we declared war on terrorism. iraq sponsored terrorism, and performed a genocide. so we didnt find nukes wich out intelligeance, along with most of the worlds intelligence also, stated. does that still forgive every other wrong that country has commited?
sws4420
02-21-2007, 05:27 PM
Uhh...those folks are on camera explaining what they did. They didn't see anything wrong with it.
It's not the director's opinion. It's a fact, and a prosecutor and jury agreed.He could have had 1400 hours of film and only put in the one or two hours that illustrated his preconceived theory on the entire subject. That's the same exact thing Michael Moore did. Documentaries are like statistics, you can make them say anything if you work them the right way.
Thanks for the compliments, Dave. It's not that I'm smarter than average, I just keep myself informed of things around me. I have the ability to look at the facts of an issue and form an objective opinion on a topic, unlike others.
there's one in every crowd isn't there? Now people can read pictures and tell me what I'm thinking.........:ohwow:
I'm really quite incredible.:smile:
He could have had 1400 hours of film and only put in the one or two hours that illustrated his preconceived theory on the entire subject. That's the same exact thing Michael Moore did. Documentaries are like statistics, you can make them say anything if you work them the right way.
Thanks for the compliments, Dave. It's not that I'm smarter than average, I just keep myself informed of things around me. I have the ability to look at the facts of an issue and form an objective opinion on a topic, unlike others.
Ohh obviously.
You didn't even see Hacking Democracy but you already have it all figured out. Can't get much smarter then that.
Unlike others, I actually look at the information before I form my objective opinion...
sws4420
02-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Ohh obviously.
You didn't even see Hacking Democracy but you already have it all figured out. Can't get much smarter then that.
Unlike others, I actually look at the information before I form my objective opinion...Again, reading comprehension.
Seven posts ago I said I saw the show. I wasn't impressed.
"He could have had 1400 hours of film and only put in the one or two hours that illustrated his preconceived theory on the entire subject."
"Seven posts ago I said I saw the show. I wasn't impressed."
So you saw the people explain how they do a sample recount, in their own words? How they precount the sample in private so that when they do the public recount it works out perfect?:huh:
And you see no problem with that?:huh:
Come on now? Even I know you're smarter then that...
sws4420
02-21-2007, 07:12 PM
Of course it's a problem. I see it as an incentive for the manufacturers to make the machines more secure or for the voting commissions to not opt to use the machines. I'm tired of doing research tonight. Find me a percentage on how many of these electronic machines are even in use. I know I've never used one.
The type of machine that county used makes no difference. If it were paper ballots they still would've done the sample recount the same way. They count whatever type of ballots they have.
fido6
02-21-2007, 11:09 PM
Let me get this out as simply as I can:
I supported Bush invading Afghanistan and getting that bastard Bin Laden but when he turned attention away from Bin Laden and sent a mass of soldiers and artillery to Iraq to finish what his father fucked up on he lost my support.
He lied, along with many of his cronies, about why were needed to invade Iraq and although many believed him at first it has come to be the truth that indeed we were led astray.
Now this dumbass is looking at Iran as another target in HIS war on terror. I am sooooooooo happy that this Congress and Senate will stand up to him and tell him to stand down or else we will have way more than 3100 dead in this next conflict. The war with Iraq makes Vietnam look like World War fucking 2 and is not helping anything when it comes to protecting our own borders.
And speaking of protecting borders, does anyone actually believe that a 700 mile fucking fence is going to keep people out?
I support the troops throughout the world but they are getting fucked daily by who I believe is the absolute stupidest fucking president ever to grace the White House.
trojanmiro
02-21-2007, 11:34 PM
Let me get this out as simply as I can:
I supported Bush invading Afghanistan and getting that bastard Bin Laden but when he turned attention away from Bin Laden and sent a mass of soldiers and artillery to Iraq to finish what his father fucked up on he lost my support.
He lied, along with many of his cronies, about why were needed to invade Iraq and although many believed him at first it has come to be the truth that indeed we were led astray.
Now this dumbass is looking at Iran as another target in HIS war on terror. I am sooooooooo happy that this Congress and Senate will stand up to him and tell him to stand down or else we will have way more than 3100 dead in this next conflict. The war with Iraq makes Vietnam look like World War fucking 2 and is not helping anything when it comes to protecting our own borders.
And speaking of protecting borders, does anyone actually believe that a 700 mile fucking fence is going to keep people out?
I support the troops throughout the world but they are getting fucked daily by who I believe is the absolute stupidest fucking president ever to grace the White House.
you obviously didnt read my prior post. and if your gonna compare this war to vietnamn, get your facts straight. we lost 58,209 lives in vietnamn. i didnt research your number of 3100. but to me it seems like a mere fraction of that. and if by bringing the war to the middle east, and not having a single attack on us soil since we declared war on terrorism means we havnt strengthened our borders, then your absolutely right. iran is a huge part of our problem in iraq. if you read my prior post, you would see that they are not only defying the un, but also sending majority of insurgeants into iraq. iran doesnt want to see deomcracy succeed in iraq, cause the entire middle east looks as this nation. if democracy suceeds, these countries will be forced to changed their ways. my own father is a vietnamn vet, and is against this war. says you cant change the life style of people. i remind him of britain, germany and japan. all countries changed by us involvement in war.
trojanmiro
02-21-2007, 11:38 PM
not to mention that vietnamn was a french war. and we supported them. and we saved them in the world war. the only reason the french did not support us in this was, was because they had a sweet oil deal set up with iraq if they were able to hold america from invasion.
sws4420
02-22-2007, 05:47 AM
The type of machine that county used makes no difference. If it were paper ballots they still would've done the sample recount the same way. They count whatever type of ballots they have.My point is that electronic voting machines have the highest liklihood of being tampered with and going undetected than the older style models.
sws4420
02-22-2007, 05:58 AM
Let me get this out as simply as I can:
I supported Bush invading Afghanistan and getting that bastard Bin Laden but when he turned attention away from Bin Laden and sent a mass of soldiers and artillery to Iraq to finish what his father fucked up on he lost my support.
He lied, along with many of his cronies, about why were needed to invade Iraq and although many believed him at first it has come to be the truth that indeed we were led astray.
Now this dumbass is looking at Iran as another target in HIS war on terror. I am sooooooooo happy that this Congress and Senate will stand up to him and tell him to stand down or else we will have way more than 3100 dead in this next conflict. The war with Iraq makes Vietnam look like World War fucking 2 and is not helping anything when it comes to protecting our own borders.
And speaking of protecting borders, does anyone actually believe that a 700 mile fucking fence is going to keep people out?
I support the troops throughout the world but they are getting fucked daily by who I believe is the absolute stupidest fucking president ever to grace the White House.There's 18,000 troops in Afghanistan. What goals do you have for the region that 18,000 troops can't handle? Finding Bin Laden? Do you realize even if we do find him that it'll change absolutely nothing?
And Bush's father didn't "fuck up". The UN mandate was to get Saddam and his forces out of Kuwait. We chased them all the way back to Baghdad. Look at a map, that's not exactly only a couple miles.
Did Bush collect the intelligence personally? Last I checked, there were agencies that collect intelligence. Maybe Bush influenced the the CIA director to manufacture this evidence...oh wait. That's right, George Tenet was appointed by Bill Clinton. Not exactly a smoking gun, huh?
How much of a dumbass would you see Bush as if it were found out that Iran not only had nuclear weapons, but had plans drafted to attack America with it? How about other countries in the region? Iran's president has made it no secret that he wants to annhialate the US and Israel. Ah, just turn a blind eye to that. It worked so well during the first half-dozen attacks that Bin Laden orchestrated that Bill Clinton ignored.
My point is that electronic voting machines have the highest liklihood of being tampered with and going undetected than the older style models.
Well, at least there's something we agree on...
you obviously didnt read my prior post. and if your gonna compare this war to vietnamn, get your facts straight. we lost 58,209 lives in vietnamn. i didnt research your number of 3100. but to me it seems like a mere fraction of that. and if by bringing the war to the middle east, and not having a single attack on us soil since we declared war on terrorism means we havnt strengthened our borders, then your absolutely right. iran is a huge part of our problem in iraq. if you read my prior post, you would see that they are not only defying the un, but also sending majority of insurgeants into iraq. iran doesnt want to see deomcracy succeed in iraq, cause the entire middle east looks as this nation. if democracy suceeds, these countries will be forced to changed their ways. my own father is a vietnamn vet, and is against this war. says you cant change the life style of people. i remind him of britain, germany and japan. all countries changed by us involvement in war.
What you claim Iran is doing sounds very familiar...
Oh yeah, it's exactly what we did when the Russians were in Afghanistan.:duh2:
We encouraged "insurgents" and supplied them with weapons that they used to kill Russians.
I guess we're lucky the Russians didn't nuke us. Had they done so they surely would've been justified by your standards...:unsure:
There's 18,000 troops in Afghanistan. What goals do you have for the region that 18,000 troops can't handle? Finding Bin Laden? Do you realize even if we do find him that it'll change absolutely nothing?
And Bush's father didn't "fuck up". The UN mandate was to get Saddam and his forces out of Kuwait. We chased them all the way back to Baghdad. Look at a map, that's not exactly only a couple miles.
Did Bush collect the intelligence personally? Last I checked, there were agencies that collect intelligence. Maybe Bush influenced the the CIA director to manufacture this evidence...oh wait. That's right, George Tenet was appointed by Bill Clinton. Not exactly a smoking gun, huh?
How much of a dumbass would you see Bush as if it were found out that Iran not only had nuclear weapons, but had plans drafted to attack America with it? How about other countries in the region? Iran's president has made it no secret that he wants to annhialate the US and Israel. Ah, just turn a blind eye to that. It worked so well during the first half-dozen attacks that Bin Laden orchestrated that Bill Clinton ignored.
I would reply to this post but if I do it would only get me banned because it would be seen as very insulting...
...Sometimes silence is golden.:whistle:
sws4420
02-22-2007, 08:07 AM
You can't counter anything in that post without being insulting? :huh:
Donna
02-22-2007, 09:11 AM
4) I could make a documentary claiming that my farts dont stink and I'm sure you and a thousand other people would believe me, and finally
.
I don't know you, but ummm, I don't think I'd believe you.....c'mere, lemme smell and get the facts:laugh:
trojanmiro
02-22-2007, 09:20 AM
What you claim Iran is doing sounds very familiar...
Oh yeah, it's exactly what we did when the Russians were in Afghanistan.:duh2:
We encouraged "insurgents" and supplied them with weapons that they used to kill Russians.
I guess we're lucky the Russians didn't nuke us. Had they done so they surely would've been justified by your standards...:unsure:
who said anything about dropping nukes on iran? and we were in the middle of the cold war with russia. hence the cuban missle crisis and all that.
I don't know you, but ummm, I don't think I'd believe you.....c'mere, lemme smell and get the facts:laugh:
Donna.....I think I love you. :wub:
Donna
02-22-2007, 04:40 PM
Donna.....I think I love you. :wub:
:rotflmao:
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