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mb*
04-14-2005, 03:25 PM
TEEN GETS PROBATION FOR KNIFING PAN MAN
09:00 - 14 April 2005 A Teenager fought back by pulling a knife on a man who struck him with a frying pan, a court heard yesterday.

The attack came after the man had asked the teenager and his friends to keep the noise down after he felt they were causing a disturbance near his Aberdeen home.

Daniel Bertram, 18, previously admitted assaulting Paul Mutch on September 1, last year, at 27 Fountain Grange, Aberdeen, by striking him repeatedly on the legs with a knife to his severe injury.

He also admitted a second charge of having the knife in a public place.

Bertram, of 19c Sandilands Drive, Aberdeen, appeared for sentencing at the city's sheriff court yesterday, where Fiscal Depute Neil Shand said Mr Mutch was wakened at 11.45pm by the noise of something striking his window.

On investigating, he found a group of two men and two women standing outside and he asked them to be quiet.

The court was told there was a disagreement and Mr Mutch went back into his house, returning shortly afterwards with a frying pan which he used to hit Bertram on the head.

The fiscal said Bertram retaliated by pulling out a knife and striking Mr Mutch on the legs several times, resulting in injuries which needed hospital treatment.

Defence agent Iain Woodward-Nutt said his client had been drinking and had also taken diazepam the night of the incident.

The court was told Bertram, one of six siblings, had initially been brought up by his grandparents.

Following their death, he began taking cannabis and was referred to a child psychiatrist for treatment for anger and impulsive behaviour.

At age 16, he progressed to diazepam and other hard drugs. A week before the offences, he had arranged an emergency appointment with his GP to ask for help in getting off the drugs.

The court was told that bar an 18-day period last September, the teenager had not been in trouble with the law before or since.

Mr Woodward-Nutt said Bertram had since withdrawn himself from the drug scene and his former friends, saying he was "disgusted not just with the offence but with that whole period of his life".

Sheriff Annella Cowan sentenced him to two years probation and 200 hours of community service.

Mikey
04-14-2005, 03:31 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmm idk but that sounds like self defense to me since the other guy struck first

snobord447
04-14-2005, 03:37 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmm idk but that sounds like self defense to me since the other guy struck first

We had this talk one other time in another thread... it is self defense but one dude used deadly force. The other guy didn't.

Like, if you walked into my house with a sausage to beat me over the head, I wouldn't really be justified in shooting you - but I could beat you back with a sausage.

mb*
04-14-2005, 03:38 PM
well, the kids were being way noisey in the middle of the night. no, he shouldn't have hit him over the head with a frying pan (as comical as that must have been), but the kid shouldn't have stabbed him a million times with a knife.

two wrongs dont make a right, mikey. :biglaff:

Mikey
04-14-2005, 03:38 PM
yeah true....the guy w/ the knife i think went over board though.

snobord447
04-14-2005, 03:40 PM
well, the kids were being way noisey in the middle of the night. no, he shouldn't have hit him over the head with a frying pan (as comical as that must have been), but the kid shouldn't have stabbed him a million times with a knife.

two wrongs dont make a right, mikey. :biglaff:

I wish the other dude would have grabbed a bigger frying pan, like a wok. :laughing:

mb*
04-14-2005, 03:44 PM
I wish the other dude would have grabbed a bigger frying pan, like a wok. :laughing:

i would have demanded video footage. :rotflmao:

Mikey
04-14-2005, 03:46 PM
lol @ wok. Then he should have made some pork fried rice while he was at it, lol