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sws4420
06-02-2007, 06:37 AM
A few weeks ago, we shared the story of Rachel Poor, who faced a double-barreled 21st century nightmare when an identity thief stole her money and her bank piled on with penalty fees. In addition to losing thousands of dollars to the thief, Poor faced a maddening set of overdraft charges -- 22 to be exact -- while she tried to dig out of the hole her imposter put her in.

The column resonated with Red Tape readers -- 1,300 comments were left on the blog, a record. Many writers expressed bitterness and frustration toward their banks and described their own overdraft fee nightmares.

Well, help may be on the way. Two major studies are being conducted to examine bank bounced check practices -- one by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and one by the General Accountability Office, Congress’ investigative arm. Federal legislation introduced by Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., would bar many current bank overdraft practices. And a congressional hearing is planned for later this summer to highlight abuses of the practice.

"Congress should help rein in the billions of dollars in hidden overdraft fees that bank customers are forced to shell out every year,” said Maloney, who chairs the House Subcommittee on Financial Institutions. “Hidden overdraft fees are unfair, and fairness is an essential component of a safe and sound banking system.”

Why do overdraft fees seem to generate so much ire? For starters, they often come as a surprise. That's the reason that this month's "Gotcha Room" explains how easy it is to incur an overdraft fee. Click here to watch the video.

Here’s the crux of the problem: Many people believe that if they ask an ATM for more money than they have in their account, the ATM will simply say "no." Not True! One upon a time, ATMs were good at rejection. Today, they’ll say “yes” to nearly anyone.

Just about anyone with a checking account in any national bank is automatically enrolled in something called "courtesy overdraft protection." The “courtesy,” it turns out, is that the banks will allow withdrawals that exceed balances and then tack on a hefty fee of about $35.

NOT JUST ONE OVERDRAFT FEE
And as Rachel Poor found out, often there are multiple charges. After an account “goes negative,” every account withdrawal -- by ATM, by debit card purchase, by online bill payment – incurs another fee. It’s easy to wrack up four or five of those in a weekend, or 22 in Rachel’s case.

Debit card purchases add to the confusion because banks allow debit card purchases even when accounts don't have enough money to cover the transaction. That profitable permissiveness can easily turn a $3 hamburger into a $38 hamburger.

No one knows exactly how much money banks are making this way, but there are some good guesses. Fees make up about one-third of bank revenue at this point, and overdraft fees make up a large chunk of that. The Center for Responsible Lending estimates that banks collected $10 billion in overdraft fees during 2005.

Judging from the number of people who wrote in after Rachel Poor's story, that estimate might be low.

Consumer advocates object to the fees on many levels. Chief among them -- using a debit card was supposed to be the healthy alternative to credit cards, which were designed to encourage people to spend money they don't have. Debit cards were supposed to prevent that bad buying habit, as purchases are withdrawn directly from checking accounts. At one point, it was impossible to spend more than you had with a debit card. But with "courtesy overdrafts," debit cards become a lot more like credit cards -- only worse. Not only can you overspend, but the loan you are given as a result is just about the most expensive loan out there. The effective annual percentage rate on debit card overdraft fees can be 1,000 percent. In most cases, consumers hovering near a zero balance and buying that $3 hamburger would be far better off taking out their credit cards, even if they are revolving users who pay interest immediately on the purchase.

SURPRISE! A $38 HAMBURGER
Making matters worse: Consumers rarely know when they are about to buy a $38 hamburger. It’s nearly always a surprise when the monthly billing statement comes.

It doesn’t have to be that way. A simple warning would be nice, something like the "foreign ATM $2 fee" warning we are all so familiar with. Something like this:

ATM: "I'll let you take out that $20 you don't really have, but it will cost you an extra $35. Are you sure you want to do that?"
You (turning to friend): Uh, Bill, can you spot me $20?

Implementing such a warning screen is one of the main provisions in Maloney's bill. Of course, banks aren't interested in adding the warning. Nessa Feddis, spokeswoman for the American Bankers Association, said it’s not technically possible. There are always outstanding checks or pending electronic transactions (such as scheduled Internet bill payments) which make real-time balance checks impractical, she said.

“There will always be the possibility of approving a transaction when there aren’t sufficient funds,” she said. “It’s consumers who are in the best position to know exactly what their balance is.”

Feddis also said consumers appreciate the convenience of overdraft protection, as they don’t face the hassle of rejected purchases at checkout counters. And in the case of bounced checks, the fees can actually save consumers money. In the past, a bounced check would incur two fees -- one from the bank and one from the merchant. Now the bank covers the check and charges only one overdraft fee, she said.

But that benefit of overdraft protection only applies in the case of bounced checks. Covering consumers’ debit purchases and then charging a $35 fee doesn’t save the consumer money compared to the days when the transaction would simply be declined.

Given the decline in popularity of checks, the majority of overdraft fees are now generated through debit transactions and other electronic transactions, the Center for Responsible Lending found in a recent study.

FED RULING BACKED BANKS
That's one reason banks fought -- and won -- in the last round of Washington D.C.-hand-wringing on the subject. Two years ago, the Federal Reserve issued new rules governing overdraft protection, but the rules have done little to help consumers. In fact, they may have made things worse. The Fed declared that overdraft fees were not a loan and thus not subject to Truth in Lending disclosure practices, which would include clear publication of those obscene annual percentage rates. Now, only banks that market courtesy overdraft protection service must explain the cost of the money. Banks that keep the service and the fees quiet only have to include small-print notices when you open your account.

Maloney's bill would change that, too, as it would redefine overdraft fees as loans.

Feddis argues that publishing those rates would only confuse consumers.

"People understand dollars. ...The rate would be misleading to consumers," she said. "It's not a loan, it's a service fee."

Whatever they are, clearly many consumers hate them. More important, many consumers are surprised by them, and that should never happen. ATMs should warn consumers before they overdraw their accounts -- something that is just as feasible as account balance checks, despite what banks say. And if warnings aren’t given, hamburger purchases should simply be declined when balances are below zero unless consumers actively ask for the protection.

RED TAPE WRESTLING STRATEGIES
Tell your bank you want to opt out of courtesy overdraft protection. While you’re at it, link your credit card or savings account to your checking account, which will provide you true overdraft protection for pennies on the dollar.

If your balance is low and you are using a debit card, tell the clerk you want to sign the receipt and not enter a PIN, says Gartner payment expert Avivah Litan. Signature-based debit transactions are processed a little bit more slowly than PIN transactions, so you’ll buy yourself a little time to deposit money and cover the withdrawal, she says.

Consumers who think the current system is unfair should write to the Federal Reserve and complain, and write to their congressional representatives asking them to support the "Consumer Overdraft Protection Fair Practices Act" introduced by Maloney.


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trojanmiro
06-02-2007, 07:37 AM
i once had 3 transactionslike this. first one put me over 38 cents. second one was like a 5 dollar tranasaction. third was like a 7 dollar transaction. i got nailed for 38 dollars for each transaction. for less then 13 dollars of overdraft, i had to pay back 114 in bank fees. i didnt let that fly though. i told them to take 2 away or id close my account. and they did.

Donna
06-02-2007, 07:41 AM
Ummm, my solution for you is to balance your stupid checkbook ona daily bais......http://www.s0lidgr0und.org/imagehosting/2474661487faf6b1.bmp (http://www.s0lidgr0und.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=183)It takes me less than 5 minutes to go to my banks website, jot down any debit card uses from the previous day, do the math in my register and i'm done.........

funny troj....your comment wasn't there when i made mine, "you" was directed to anyone in general, not you you..........oh, i also have a savings account with the same bank and have free overdraft protection, so if i DO fuck up, they take it from my savings and charge me 5 bucks.

trojanmiro
06-02-2007, 07:52 AM
Ummm, my solution for you is to balance your stupid checkbook ona daily bais......http://www.s0lidgr0und.org/imagehosting/2474661487faf6b1.bmp (http://www.s0lidgr0und.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=183)It takes me less than 5 minutes to go to my banks website, jot down any debit card uses from the previous day, do the math in my register and i'm done.........

funny troj....your comment wasn't there when i made mine, "you" was directed to anyone in general, not you you..........oh, i also have a savings account with the same bank and have free overdraft protection, so if i DO fuck up, they take it from my savings and charge me 5 bucks.

its ok, i was only gonna yell at you a lil bit for that. lol. my nemesis is that pay at the pump thing. i always forget about when i pay for gas. always. and it takes nearly 50 to fill my truck now so when that suddenly drops from your balance it hurts. every once in a while i use my debit card so much its hard to keep track of, and i go on a cash only spending budget. cause when you withdraw cash there is no waiting period for when it comes out of your balance. debit card takes up to 3 or 4 days sometimes. whenever i take out cash too, with all the fees attached to atms now, i never take out less then 60. then you dont mind losing 5 bucks out of 60. i used to be dumb and always take out 20, thinking only take out what you need. but then i realized i was handing over 25 percent of my money everytime i used the machine. ive gotten a ton better at being organized and paying attention to detail though. so its rare now when i get those fucking things.

sws4420
06-02-2007, 07:55 AM
I haven't balanced a checkbook in at least seven years.

Cutesunshine
06-02-2007, 07:59 AM
I got nailed the other day. Between the things that are automatically withdrawn every month. I went under just a small amount, they nailed with $30 in fees like 3 times, then my paycheck was deposited automatically... all in the same evening.
When my bank was still a smaller bank, they'd call to make sure there was a deposit going in before they'd overdraft me. Corporate america changed that too.


I haven't balanced a checkbook in at least seven years.

Thats because my unorganized ways possessed your mind.

trojanmiro
06-02-2007, 08:01 AM
I got nailed the other day. Between the things that are automatically withdrawn every month. I went under just a small amount, they nailed with $30 in fees like 3 times, then my paycheck was deposited automatically... all in the same evening.
When my bank was still a smaller bank, they'd call to make sure there was a deposit going in before they'd overdraft me. Corporate america changed that too.



Thats because my unorganized ways possessed your mind.

i have citizens bank. the one good thing i will say about them is, as long as i make a deposit that day, they will bump it in before all those charges. the only reason i went with them to begin with is because they have one branch in lansingburgh thats open till 7 pm. wich can be fanfuckingtastic at times.

Donna
06-02-2007, 08:05 AM
If I go to the grocery store and then go pump gas, by the time I get home, it's on my check register online.........it will have <pending> next to it, but it's there, so I deduct it right away from my paper register. i'm in my bank account website a few times a day. It's looking like a 'cane out there right now. cool.

Cutesunshine
06-02-2007, 08:15 AM
I had troy savings for like years... Then first niagara bought them... They're not as cool about any thing at all.

MedicCook
06-02-2007, 09:01 AM
I have First Niagra also. I got nailed last year for 4 or 5 overdrafts at once because I missed one of the checks I had written. One of them was a check that was dated on the date the bill was due and the bank allowed it to be deposited and funds withdrawn 3 days earlier than the check was dated.

Donna
06-02-2007, 09:07 AM
I have First Niagra also. I got nailed last year for 4 or 5 overdrafts at once because I missed one of the checks I had written. One of them was a check that was dated on the date the bill was due and the bank allowed it to be deposited and funds withdrawn 3 days earlier than the check was dated.

post dating is a thing of the past.......they don't care what date you have on it.

MedicCook
06-02-2007, 09:15 AM
post dating is a thing of the past.......they don't care what date you have on it.

Unless it is for the common person. When I used to get my paycheck they always handed them out on Thursday with a Friday date and the bank would never let me cash it on Thursday. That is why I went to direct deposit in my jobs. Bank are built to rip the average american off. It has been that way forever.

Donna
06-02-2007, 09:31 AM
Unless it is for the common person. When I used to get my paycheck they always handed them out on Thursday with a Friday date and the bank would never let me cash it on Thursday. That is why I went to direct deposit in my jobs. Bank are built to rip the average american off. It has been that way forever.

you're right, sheessssshhhhhhhh,

sws4420
06-02-2007, 09:50 PM
Post-dating is also not legal.

MedicCook
06-02-2007, 11:52 PM
Post-dating is also not legal.

I date my checks for the day the bill is due. I usually mail them out a couple of days before they are due also.

Donna
06-03-2007, 12:32 PM
I date my checks for the day the bill is due. I usually mail them out a couple of days before they are due also.

you can leave it blank, they're still gonna cash it when they get it.

MedicCook
06-03-2007, 02:20 PM
you can leave it blank, they're still gonna cash it when they get it.

Maybe I should try that next time.

trojanmiro
06-03-2007, 02:25 PM
checks are more like a debit card now anyways. when you go to price chopper or something all you have to do is sign it and they scan it and give it right back to you.

Donna
06-03-2007, 07:07 PM
Maybe I should try that next time.

i remember sending in my car payment back in the 70's w/o signing my check, on purpose, and they would send it back for you to sign WITHOUT giving you a late notice.....great stalling tactic, they don't let that shit fly no more tho:whistle:

mb*
06-04-2007, 06:17 PM
i will never forget the time i had 16 things bounce in my checking acct because i waited a day to deposit my rommates money. that was $560, then an addtl $30 because it was overdrawn for 7 days.

ill never let that happen again, it was horrible. :cry2: