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sws4420
06-13-2007, 08:29 AM
Consumer advocates say the late-fee punishment doesn't fit the crime

We love our credit cards. Buy now, pay later is mighty convenient. And yet, many cardholders are unhappy with the way they’re being treated by their credit card issuers.

Steve, a businessman in Texas, tells me he had a “stellar credit history” until last year. One month, due to what he calls a “misunderstanding,” he paid less than the minimum payment.

Steve says the bank never contacted him. They just boosted his interest rate to 29.99 percent. He says his minimum monthly credit card payment is now higher than his house payment. And because of this, he’s now had the credit limit on one of his other cards drastically reduced.

Steve is outraged. He calls the bank’s action “unconscionable, calculated and predatory.”

Consumer advocates say Steve is just one example of why Congress needs to pass some tough laws regulating credit card issuers.

They’ve targeted a number of practices which they consider abusive, including unlimited over-limit fees, charging for telephone or online payments, and retroactive interest — applying a penalty rate to the entire outstanding balance, including purchases made under the previous lower rate.

“Owning a credit card company is a license to steal,” says Ed Mierzwinksi, Consumer Program director at U.S. PIRG, because the law allows you to change the rules at any time for any reason, including no reason.”



Credit card survey
Between Oct. 9, 2006 and March 2, 2007, Consumer Action, a California consumer group, surveyed 83 credit cards from 20 banks, including the top 10 U.S. credit card issuers. Here are the results:

Late Fee
* Average: $28
* Highest: $39

Penalty Rate
* Average: 24.51%
* Highest: 32.24%

Average Grace Period
* 22 days

Annual Fee
* Average: $44.74 (Fewer cards now have them)

Source: 2007 Credit Card Survey

What about the customer?
You don’t have to be a deadbeat to get treated like one. Just make one late payment — even a day late — and you could get socked with a huge penalty or see your interest rate skyrocket — or both!

“The fundamental problem is credit card companies have forgotten how to treat consumers fairly,” says Chi Chi Wu, Staff Attorney at the National Consumer Law Center in Boston. “The industry has developed all sorts of tactics to trip-up consumers and get as many fees out of them as possible."

Wu says most cardholders would probably be surprised to learn that there are virtually no limits on the fees or interest rate banks can charge them.

The American Bankers Association says penalty fees are not an issue for the majority of cardholders — people who pay on time and don’t go over their limit. But what if you do slip up?

“Does the punishment fits the nature of the crime?” asks Linda Sherry, Director of National Priorities with the California group Consumer Action. “If you are one day late does it really warrant a 20 percent interest rate hike?”

Consumer groups push for strong legislation
Last month, Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) introduced the “Stop Unfair Practices in Credit Cards Act.”

“Credit card companies must be stopped from preying on the most vulnerable Americans with unfair and confusing practices,” Sen. Levin said in a statement.

He believes these practices are “too entrenched and too profitable” for the credit card companies to change them on their own.

One of the most abusive practices the Levin-McCaskill bill would prohibit is retroactive interest. Did you know that the interest on your outstanding balance can be changed at any time?

If for some reason you get hit with a penalty interest rate, that higher rate applies to both future purchases and your entire outstanding balance. This will increase both your total interest payments and your monthly minimum.

The bill would limit a penalty interest rate increase to 7 percent and prohibit that new rate from being applied to debt incurred before the increase.

Attacking credit card fees
Go over your credit limit and you’ll get dinged with an over-limit penalty fee. If your balance remains over the limit, even if you don’t make any other purchases, you’ll get charged that fee every month until you drop below your limit.

The “Stop Unfair Practices in Credit Cards Act” would prohibit banks from charging repeated over-limit fees for a single instance of exceeding the limit. And the penalty could only be charged when a cardholder’s action, not the penalty, causes the balance to be over the limit. The bill would also prohibit charging interest on penalty fees.

One way to prevent late fees is to pay your bill electronically — over the phone or online. But some banks now charge as much as $15 for doing this.

“We think these pay-to-pay fees are outrageous,” says Consumer Action’s Linda Sherry.

The Levin-McCaskill bill would prohibit charging a fee for paying a credit card bill.

Universal default
The Senate bill does not tackle what consumer groups consider to be one of the most egregious practices — universal default. That’s where the bank hits you with its highest interest rate because you are late paying some other creditor.

“Most consumers don’t even know that they could be charged an interest rate as high as 30 percent after they get their card,” says Travis Plunkett, Legislative Director at Consumer Federation of America. “They simply don’t know that it’s possible and that it could happen overnight, with no notice, with no warning.”

Your bank can invoke the “universal default” clause even if you have a perfect payment record with them. And the super-high rate will be applied to both your new purchases and unpaid balance.

“If you are current on your credit card, if you are making your payments on time, if you’re had no problems with your credit card company, they should not be jacking up your interest rate, period,” Plunkett says.

Earlier this year, Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) and Emmanuel Cleaver (D-MO) introduced “The Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2007.” It would ban universal default.

Banks say new laws are not needed
The banking industry will no doubt lobby hard against any new legislation.

“Currently, consumers have more choices and freedom than ever before,” says Edward Yingling, President and CEO of the American Bankers Association in a statement.

“Micromanaging the pricing of financial products,” he says, “could hurt consumers and the overall economy.”

Trying to head off congressional action, a number of big banks have recently taken steps to become more customer-friendly.

JPMorgan Chase eliminated double-cycle billing, which calculates interest on both the current and previous month’s purchases.

Citibank announced it would end “universal default.” The bank also says it would no longer reserve the right to change the terms on an account “at any time for any reason.” Rather, the bank will wait till the card’s expiration date.

Consumer groups applaud these changes, but they still want strong laws passed to protect consumers from credit card abuses. They say leaving the marketplace unregulated has already hurt millions of credit cardholders.

If you think Congress should act, now is the time to let your lawmakers know.


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trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 08:34 AM
these things are evil, hence whyi dont have one anymore. i cut it up in tiny pieces.

mb*
06-13-2007, 09:22 AM
JPMorgan Chase eliminated double-cycle billing, which calculates interest on both the current and previous month’s purchases.
:frog:

chase also only charges the overlimit fee for 3 consecutive months then stops.

something interesting i learned last week... the reason the interest gets jacked up so high is so that if the accts written off they can sell it for the highest possible amt, to reclaim some of their loss.

the bank has programs to reduce the interest back down, and settlements to write off a huge chunk, up to 65% of the balance to take care of a lot of the fees that had been assessed, and then some.

i don't agree with them jacking it up so much on the first mistake, we all make them.

HLBiteME!
06-13-2007, 10:29 AM
I talk to the guy who owns a local pizza shop sometimes. And he feels like credit cards have almost put him out of business. They are so common now, you've got to accept credit cards, or he's going to lose a lot of business. But just having the credit card scanner costs him money, and a fairly significant % of each sale made on a credit card goes to the credit card company now. It's a small % of the actual sale, but a very large percentage of his profit. He's not allowed to charge a surcharge for people paying with a credit card, which I think should be allowed, most costs get passed onto the consumer anyway, and they should pay a little extra for the convienience of using a credit card to pay for a couple of slices. Also, lots of stores used to have rules, no credit cards for purchases under ten dollars. The credit card companies have been going after businesses that do that, saying you have to accept the card for everything, or we won't let you have the card readers at all. There's no real way for small businesses to win.

trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 10:47 AM
I talk to the guy who owns a local pizza shop sometimes. And he feels like credit cards have almost put him out of business. They are so common now, you've got to accept credit cards, or he's going to lose a lot of business. But just having the credit card scanner costs him money, and a fairly significant % of each sale made on a credit card goes to the credit card company now. It's a small % of the actual sale, but a very large percentage of his profit. He's not allowed to charge a surcharge for people paying with a credit card, which I think should be allowed, most costs get passed onto the consumer anyway, and they should pay a little extra for the convienience of using a credit card to pay for a couple of slices. Also, lots of stores used to have rules, no credit cards for purchases under ten dollars. The credit card companies have been going after businesses that do that, saying you have to accept the card for everything, or we won't let you have the card readers at all. There's no real way for small businesses to win.

this also applys to that article on here how some small garages stopped selling gas. they cant compete with convenient stores and if they try, ayone who pays with a card eats up any profit they saw on the sale.

HLBiteME!
06-13-2007, 11:18 AM
this also applys to that article on here how some small garages stopped selling gas. they cant compete with convenient stores and if they try, ayone who pays with a card eats up any profit they saw on the sale.

Right, and having pay at the pump is even worse for them, since the customer never comes inside where they might buy some food or something that they can make some sort of profit on. Like I said, even as a consumer, I would not be totally opposed to a rule saying if you pay by credit card, a 2% surcharge will be added. The large corporate conglomerates have enough ways of making money that they can do ok, but the small mom and pops have seen their profit margin vanish completly.

MedicCook
06-13-2007, 01:27 PM
I have no credit cards anymore which is good.

Some places now have minimum purchases to use a credit card. The businesses get an additional charge if the purchase is under $10.

trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 01:36 PM
I have no credit cards anymore which is good.

Some places now have minimum purchases to use a credit card. The businesses get an additional charge if the purchase is under $10.

im not sure about that.

i think the only reason they tried to do the 10 dollar minimum is cause they get socked with a fee no matter what the sale is. and 10 dollars is prolly the amount where they see enough profit margin to atleast break even.

sws4420
06-13-2007, 01:40 PM
I believe it's a percentage of the sale they get as a fee. It's like 3%.

MedicCook
06-13-2007, 01:43 PM
This came from the merchant that their is an additional fee for small purchases.

trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 01:46 PM
i personally dont see how they charge the stores a fee. they get interest from the customers. the stores are basically allowing them to make money in the first place. if i was a store owner, and you told me your gonna charge me so you can make money off someone else, jsut so its more convenient, id tell them to go fuck themselves.

sws4420
06-13-2007, 01:49 PM
If you could make money off people in one way or two ways, which one would you choose?

trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 01:52 PM
If you could make money off people in one way or two ways, which one would you choose?

if i owned a resteraunt, or large dept store, i would put up with it. but if i was a small establishment, like a pizza joint or convenient mart, id tell them to stick their machine up their ass if they are gonna charge me to make them money.

sws4420
06-13-2007, 01:57 PM
Here's one example of how merchants are charged:
Minimum Fee NONE
Discount Rate 1.69%
Transaction Fee 25¢
Statement Fee $12
Application Fee NONE
Annual Fee NONE
Programming FREE
Contract NONE
Cancellation Fee NONE
Set-Up Fee FREE
Terminals as low as $87

So if you spend $100 at a small store, the merchant has to give the credit card company $1.69, plus $0.25 right off the top. So outof each $100 sale they land, 1.84% of it goes right out the door. In an atmosphere where some proofits of margin are only around 3%-5%, that's a lot.

HLBiteME!
06-13-2007, 02:18 PM
Here's one example of how merchants are charged:

So if you spend $100 at a small store, the merchant has to give the credit card company $1.69, plus $0.25 right off the top. So outof each $100 sale they land, 1.84% of it goes right out the door. In an atmosphere where some proofits of margin are only around 3%-5%, that's a lot.

And like at this local pizza shop, if you get the $3.50 lunch special, that 25 cents is a lot more of their profit margin than if someone were to get a few items and spend over 10 bucks. But he's not allowed to refuse the person who wants to buy just the slices and pay with a card. I feel bad for the guy, he can't even afford health insurance for himself or his employees. I make sure I have cash whenever I go in for a quick dinner after work.

trojanmiro
06-13-2007, 02:23 PM
And like at this local pizza shop, if you get the $3.50 lunch special, that 25 cents is a lot more of their profit margin than if someone were to get a few items and spend over 10 bucks. But he's not allowed to refuse the person who wants to buy just the slices and pay with a card. I feel bad for the guy, he can't even afford health insurance for himself or his employees. I make sure I have cash whenever I go in for a quick dinner after work.

he should jsut get rid of the machine. hell with it. if hes not making money because of it, then why have it. if he has a good enough product, people will make sure to have cash on hand. if people dont go because they cant use their card, then hes not really losing anything. cause he wasnt making a profit on it to begin with.

basically treat the machine as an employee. if its dead weight you let it go.

HLBiteME!
06-13-2007, 02:33 PM
he should jsut get rid of the machine. hell with it. if hes not making money because of it, then why have it. if he has a good enough product, people will make sure to have cash on hand. if people dont go because they cant use their card, then hes not really losing anything. cause he wasnt making a profit on it to begin with.

basically treat the machine as an employee. if its dead weight you let it go.

He's banking on his convenience buying loyalty. And hoping that the people who buy the 3.50 special will occassionally buy a big dinner every once and a while. Plus, we're a bit of a tourist area. A lot of the people who come through are going to be first time customers who might not know to bring cash. He was slow to allow the paying by credit card, and was basically to the point where he would have been out of business if he didn't, just had too many customers walking out after being told they didn't accept credit. He also doesn't accept checks anymore, due to the fees if one of those goes bad. They are just a small place, almost all of their business is take out or delivery, they have one picnic table out in front of the shop. There used to be a rival pizza place across the street that was forced out of business after they were doing a lot of illegal things to stay in business. There's not another pizza place within 15 minutes of there, and it's a pretty good pizza they make. But they do have a convienience store right next door, and two gas stations/minimarts within a block of them.

sws4420
06-13-2007, 03:19 PM
There should be a grass roots company that can rival the bigger companies with credit fees, etc. Sort of like a credit union.