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sws4420
06-16-2008, 12:52 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00033/Ban_Ki-moon_Saud_al-_33137t.jpg

Saudi Arabia will raise oil production to record levels within weeks in an attempt to avert an escalation of social and political unrest around the world. King Abdullah signalled the commitment to the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, at the weekend after the impact of skyrocketing oil prices on food sparked protests and riots from Spain to South Korea.

Next month, the Saudis will be pumping an extra half-a-million barrels of oil a day compared to last month, bringing total Saudi production to 9.7 million barrels a day, their highest ever level. But the world's biggest oil exporters are coupling the increase with an appeal to western Europe to cut fuel taxes to lower the price of petrol to consumers.

Saudi Arabia, which has called an emergency meeting of oil producers and consumers in the port city Jeddah next Sunday, says the energy crisis has not been caused purely by market pressures but by a speculative bubble. Saudi Arabia and Opec believe there are no shortages to justify the sudden surge in prices.

Mr Ban held talks with King Abdullah at the royal palace in Jeddah on Saturday evening for more than an hour which were dominated by the energy crisis. The Saudi monarch shared his concern that the oil price was "abnormally high" although he blamed "national policies" in the West, Mr Ban told The Independent yesterday. "He was also suggesting that consumers should play their own role," Mr Ban added.

Just before his departure for London yesterday, he had a telephone conversation with the Saudi oil minister, Ali al-Naimi, who told him that Saudi Arabia had raised production this month by 300,000 barrels per day at the request of consumers, and next month would raise output by a further 200,000 barrels per day. Mr Ban said: "He told me they will respond positively whenever there is a request for an increase in production. So there will be no shortage of oil."

Mr Naimi said Saudi Arabia was responding to requests from between 30 and 60 consumer countries. Finance ministers from the Group of Eight nations meeting in Tokyo yesterday added to the chorus urging Saudi Arabia to increase production.

The UN chief said he had asked the Saudi minister whether the additional output would be enough to help stabilise the market, adding: "He said the consumers and others should play their own role."

Mr Ban, who flew to Saudi Arabia after a meeting in London with Gordon Brown at Downing Street on Friday as Britain was in the grip of a protest by lorry drivers, conveyed the concerns of world leaders about the impending oil crisis. The South Korean secretary general said: "Unless we properly manage these issues, this may create a cascade of all other challenges and prices, affecting not only social and economic issues but also creating political instability."

But it appears the Saudis are just as worried that record prices – on Friday oil was being priced at just under $135 a barrel – could dampen growth in the industrialised West and lower demand, which would in turn hurt the kingdom.

As well as the protests in Britain, which continued with a go-slow by lorry drivers on the M6 on Saturday, oil-related protests have swept Europe and Asia in recent weeks. Violence has erupted in Spain, riot police were deployed in Malaysia, several Indian states have been hit by fuel-related strikes and most of South Korea's main ports have been paralysed by blockades.

Mr Ban said the King shared his view that the prices of oil and food were intricately linked to the issue of flooding and drought caused by climate change and needed to be dealt with comprehensively.

"But while he acknowledged this concern, he also expressed his own concern that common effort and co-ordination are required, particularly from consumer countries," Mr Ban said.

Saudi Arabia, which is the only Opec member with spare capacity, has been under pressure from the Bush administration to increase production, with petrol now costing a record $4 (£2) per gallon in America. But the Saudis argue that although the barrel has jumped as high as $140 recently, they are earning less in real terms owing to the decline in the value of the dollar. Until now they have hesitated to announce a large increase over a sustained period, sticking to the Opec line which blames Western speculators for the increase.

Opec countries generally follow the Saudi lead on raising levels of production, although the cartel's president, Chakib Khelil, has said it will make no new decision until a September meeting in Vienna.

Gordon Brown is to attend the unprecedented meeting of oil producers and consumers in Jeddah, and the Energy minister, Malcolm Wicks, met Mr Naimi in Riyadh on Saturday.

The US, the world's biggest oil customer, which has expressed considerable frustration with the Saudi position, will be represented at the meeting at ministerial level. Yesterday's Arabic-language newspapers had dampened down speculation about an increase in Saudi production.

The Al Riyadh newspaper quoted oil ministry sources who said that if there had been no increase in demand, there was no need to increase supply. A commentator in Al Watan newspaper said: "Why should we please consumers and increase production?" pointing out that the value of the dollar was in decline.

Saudi Arabia is keenly aware of the political and economic effect of the oil market on the upwards spiral of food prices, and contributed $500m to the World Food Programme ahead of the food summit in Rome to enable the UN agency to cope with escalating problems in feeding the world's poor. Mr Ban thanked King Abdullah for that gesture.

Mr Ban's talks in Saudi Arabia also focused on regional Middle East issues, including Lebanon, Israel/Palestine and Somalia, where a UN-brokered process backed by the Saudis has just produced a peace agreement.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-king-we-will-pump-more-oil-847830.html

MedicCook
06-16-2008, 01:07 AM
So they pump more but will they really lower the price?

sws4420
06-16-2008, 01:20 AM
It should - a little.

However, this isn't the answer to our oil problems. We need to either start drilling here immediately or come up with a comprehensive plan to become energy independent some other way.

In my opinion, drilling here would be the best option toward that goal. We have oil in ANWR and off the coast of Florida that the hippy douchebags won't let us touch.

Donna
06-16-2008, 07:55 AM
In my opinion, drilling here would be the best option toward that goal. We have oil in ANWR and off the coast of Florida that the hippy douchebags won't let us touch.

hippy douchebags :giggles:

you'd think by now we could do the drilling AND do it in a way to be enviromentally correct.

Bob
06-16-2008, 08:29 AM
There really isn't enough on our side to support us at the level we're at for any great length of time. It'll be just more fix-a-flat for a tire going over nails.



Saudi Arabia and Opec believe there are no shortages to justify the sudden surge in prices. I believe this is a few men making rich off the world.

Jimmerz
06-16-2008, 09:52 PM
It should - a little.

However, this isn't the answer to our oil problems. We need to either start drilling here immediately or come up with a comprehensive plan to become energy independent some other way.

In my opinion, drilling here would be the best option toward that goal. We have oil in ANWR and off the coast of Florida that the hippy douchebags won't let us touch.

i agree with you bill, but i also think we should serieously start looking into electrolyzed hyrdogen. its the single most abundant molicule in the universe and we can use regular tap water.. if all the red tape would simply go away lol..:dork:

sws4420
06-16-2008, 10:32 PM
I agree. However the time it'll take to develop, perfect, manufacture, and create these units in an affordable manner isn't anywhere near as beneficial to the country as drilling in our country now. Even once they're affordable they won't be abundant. The Prius has been out for 11 years now and how many of those do you see a day? 5?

This statistic has been floating around all week regarding ANWR in Alaska. ANWR is about the size of South Carolina. The area we'd be drilling in is 1/6th the size of Dulles Airport. If ANWR was the size of a standard envelope, the area we'd be drilling in would be a little smaller than the area that the stamp covers up. Why are the environmentalist weirdoes do against our country being self-sufficient? We haven't had a major oil spill as a result of drilling since 1969. We're doing pretty good with it. Also, China is drilling for oil 60 miles off the coast of Florida, yet our environmental restrictions prevent us from doing the same thing. Doesn't that sound fucking stupid? I heard that we have somewhere around 300 billion barrels of oil in our own country that we can't/won't even touch. Do you know why the Saudis are increasing their oil production? They know that we have the ability to look into alternative energy sources and they'll take an enormous hit if/when we ever perfect an alternative to crude oil.

Also, here's a pretty cool story (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367642,00.html) about a genetically altered bug that can eat organic waste and excrete crude oil as its biproduct. The guy that developed this will be a trillionaire if he ever figures out how to implement this into today's economic climate.

I recall an EPA representative being on Sean Hannity one day talking about how it'd be impossible to introduce gasoline as a fuel with today's envoronmental restrictions. Besides other complications, that's another hurdle for other energy alternatives.

MedicCook
06-16-2008, 11:19 PM
Even if we drilled in our own country how do we know that the oil will stay in our country? We have other domestic oil companies that drill and then export because they will get more money exporting than selling domestically.

sws4420
06-17-2008, 12:11 AM
We don't.

Thomas the Solitary
06-17-2008, 12:56 AM
I just did some real quick math.

Article says "Saudi Arabia had raised production this month by 300,000 barrels per day"
which means they're producing much, much more than just 300,000 barrels a day, right?

Well, to do some quick math, that means they're increasing how many dollars per day?
300,000 * $135 a barrel, according to the article...

equals: $40,500,000 a DAY INCREASE.

sws4420
06-17-2008, 01:02 AM
They're currently producing 9.4 million barrels a day.

Thomas the Solitary
06-17-2008, 01:40 AM
I think my brain just broke.

Bob
06-17-2008, 02:29 AM
That's only about $1,269,000,000 ... per day.

sws4420
06-17-2008, 08:08 AM
Wait, you have to deduct the $2 a barrel that it actually costs them to get it out of the ground.

Bob
06-17-2008, 08:21 AM
New Calculation = $1,250,200,000 a day

sws4420
06-17-2008, 08:36 AM
The damage I could do with $456,323,000,000 a year.

zanewestwood
06-17-2008, 03:34 PM
The more oil they pump the more they seem to pump from my wallet. i say by a bike.:smiley-WTF:

MedicCook
06-17-2008, 03:40 PM
Buy a moped, you don't need to a motorcycle license.

http://www.scooterschina.com/mopeds/moped-scooter1.jpg

sws4420
06-17-2008, 06:32 PM
I was looking into it. You can get a nice one for about $1500-$2000. That's a small price to pay to look like a flaming homosexual.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/eg0member/Other/hatin.jpg

trojanmiro
06-17-2008, 06:45 PM
if we livede in a climate where i could ride all year round, like florida, id seriously trade my truck for a moped.

Donna
06-17-2008, 07:03 PM
if we livede in a climate where i could ride all year round, like florida, id seriously trade my truck for a moped.

it crossed my mind for a milisecond, until i realized, I only go out to shop for stuff, so how would i carry my groceries? Besides, down here, I'd get run over within a few days on one. We have some aggressive rude drivers

brattychickjess
06-17-2008, 08:02 PM
LOL do you know how long it would take me to get to work on one...jesus!

MedicCook
06-17-2008, 10:08 PM
LOL do you know how long it would take me to get to work on one...jesus!

The newer models go 70mph.

Bob
06-17-2008, 11:11 PM
I thought about it as well, as I'm sure we all have, even if for that millisecond. My problem would be with the weather. I would use it primarily for work back and forth and then use the car for other circumstances.

Jimmerz
06-23-2008, 08:16 AM
i figure im already getting about 36mpg in my v8 mustang with the tune i installed. if i need better then that im tradeing it in on a smart car, then making the wife buy me a busa so i can drop the motor into the smartcar.. at least then ill get good gas milage and run 12s in the quater mile lol

sws4420
06-23-2008, 04:11 PM
36 mpg in a Mustang? I'm not sure that's even possible. Is it?

trojanmiro
06-23-2008, 05:14 PM
they agree to pump more oil and the price per barell still goes up. bullshit.

Thomas the Solitary
06-23-2008, 05:53 PM
Sure is. But what can we do?

sws4420
06-23-2008, 05:57 PM
they agree to pump more oil and the price per barell still goes up. bullshit.I think the output increase starts in July.

Jimmerz
06-23-2008, 05:59 PM
yeah i was getting 28 on the highway with the stock tune and even all the modifications i made to the car didnt really change the mpg i was getting. but when i installed this new tune from SCT off the live wire unit i got a few months ago it has this gas economy tune in it. so i changed the tune for gas economy yet still run the 93 in it and keep the timing advanced a little to keep the horse power from bottoming out due to the economy part of the tune.. to make a long story short ive tested it out several times and im averaging around 34 to 36mpg now.
take into account thats shifting it like my grandmother would. keeping the rpms of the engine below 2000 at any given time and not hamming on the gas..and i got a new digital gas guage that was the most help in figureing out what my milage was.:dork: