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MedicCook
06-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Teen's death blamed on faith healing

GLADSTONE, Oregon (AP) -- Authorities say a teenager from a faith-healing family died from an illness that could have been easily treated, just a few months after a toddler cousin of his died in a case that has led to criminal charges.

Tuesday's death of 16-year-old Neil Beagley, however, may not be a crime because Oregon law allows minors 14 and older to decide for themselves whether to accept medical treatment.

"All of the interviews from last night are that he did in fact refuse treatment," police Sgt. Lynne Benton said Wednesday. "Unless we can disprove that, charges probably won't be filed in this case."

An autopsy Wednesday showed Beagley died of heart failure caused by a urinary tract blockage.

He likely had a congenital condition that constricted his urinary tract where the bladder empties into the urethra, and the condition of his organs indicates he had multiple blockages during his life, said Dr. Clifford Nelson, deputy state medical examiner for Clackamas County.

"You just build up so much urea in your bloodstream that it begins to poison your organs, and the heart is particularly susceptible," Nelson said.

Nelson said a catheter would have saved the boy's life. If the condition had been dealt with earlier, a urologist could easily have removed the blockage and avoided the kidney damage that came with the repeated illnesses, Nelson said.

Benton said a board member of the Followers of Christ church contacted the authorities after Beagley died at his family's home. The teen had been sick about a week, and church members and his family had gathered to pray Sunday when his condition worsened, Benton said.

In March, the boy's 15-month-old cousin Ava Worthington died at home from bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection.

Her parents, Carl and Raylene Worthington, also belong to the church. They have pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and criminal mistreatment, and their defense attorneys have indicated they will use a religious freedom defense.

After earlier deaths involving children of Followers of Christ believers, a 1999 Oregon law struck down religious shields for parents who treat their children solely with prayer. No one had been prosecuted under it until the Worthingtons' case.

Members and former members of the church in Oregon City have told The Oregonian newspaper in previous interviews that the congregation has 1,200 people. It has no apparent ties to other congregations or any mainstream denomination.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/19/faith.healer.deaths.ap/index.html

Donna
06-19-2008, 03:08 PM
that's a shame..........I believe God gave us the intelligence and resourses to keep ourselves healthy, but can't really force that on others I guess. I remember a johava witness church in Ct growing up, somebody got hit by a car right out front of the church and died cuz they refused medical attention.

Cutesunshine
06-19-2008, 03:16 PM
I went to school with 2 johova girls... Nursing school that is.
My boss was a johova, I didnt know they refused medical attention.

Donna
06-19-2008, 03:24 PM
I went to school with 2 johova girls... Nursing school that is.
My boss was a johova, I didnt know they refused medical attention.

I was only about 12, so perhaps I am mistaken on the religion, but I'm pretty darn sure of it.

I worked with a girl at Aetna in Hartford who was Jehovah also, she insisted we didn't acknowledge her birthday or any holiday with her.

MedicCook
06-19-2008, 03:31 PM
I think they will have surgeries only if it mean no blood tranfusions or they will bank up their own blood for the sugery.

Donna
06-19-2008, 03:40 PM
I think they will have surgeries only if it mean no blood tranfusions or they will bank up their own blood for the sugery.

i may have been told wrong by dorothy, the girl who lived next to the church, who knows.........maybe I shouldn't use that as an example anymore, eh? :giggles:

Crystal
06-19-2008, 03:54 PM
Aww that is sad!

Cutesunshine
06-19-2008, 04:30 PM
They dont believe in transplants either.

Thomas the Solitary
06-20-2008, 12:33 AM
Regarding the article: Natural Selection, FTW!

Witnesses will not take blood transfusions.


(oh, and they're called Witnesses, not Jehovas LOL!!)

MedicCook
06-20-2008, 12:35 AM
:yapyapyapf:

Thomas the Solitary
06-20-2008, 01:01 AM
Just kinda funny sounding, is all :)

MedicCook
06-20-2008, 01:03 AM
I remember when I was a kid and they would come around door to door selling their god.

Thomas the Solitary
06-20-2008, 01:22 AM
Yep.

One of my sisters is a Witness, so I know more than the average bear. Well, that and I'm sort of a religion nut.

I'm sort of out on a limb as to whether or not these people in the article should be tossed in jail or not. I like to lean towards "toss them in jail" but that's just not very nice, and it does play right into their mindset of being persecuted. That's built right into the faith.

MedicCook
06-20-2008, 01:26 AM
Do you think coining is child abuse?
http://ethnomed.org/ethnomed/clin_topics/dermatology/slide35.jpg
It is usually done more in Asia. They rub coins over the body for religious healing.

Thomas the Solitary
06-20-2008, 01:53 AM
I'd have to look into how it's done, if it's just simple rubbing, who cares?

If there's more to it, then it's probably at the very least bordering child abuse.

I've not heard of it before, either. I spend most of my time on the bigger Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and most of that in Christianity. One could spend their entire life trying to keep track of all of the various "Christian" sects in the world. It can be (and has!) been perverted to make peoples
do whatever the leader wants. Interesting stuff, at least, to me... I'm kinda weird.





by Tara M. Sullivan, M.D. Updated 4/2005 by Amy TrahanCoining
http://altmed.creighton.edu/coining/coin.gifCoining, or cao gio (pronounced phonetically gow yaw), is an alternative form of medicine most commonly practiced in Southeast Asia. The practice of coining involves rubbing heated oil on the skin, most commonly the chest, back, or shoulders, and then vigorously rubbing a coin over the area in a linear fashion until a red mark is seen.
Coining is believed to allow a path by which a "bad wind" can be released from the body. This "wind" is believed to be the cause of the patient's illness. Advocates use this method to treat a variety of minor ailments including fever, chills, headache, colds, and cough.
There have been a handful of case reports describing complications from this treatment including burns, bruises, renal contusions, and brain hemorrhage.1,4,7 (http://altmed.creighton.edu/coining/references.htm) There have also been instances where parents who practice this treatment on their children have been accused of child abuse.5 (http://altmed.creighton.edu/coining/references.htm)



I can see this both ways. If it's done "gently" then I suppose it could be harmless. However, I don't think the people that actually believe that this would work would be... uh, how can I put this gently? Well, I can't. I don't think they'd be smart enough to be "gentle" about it.

Lucky for me, I don't have to worry about it, and I can't, or I'd go mad with pure worry about the state of the world.

Well, the wikipedia says it's harmless, but of course as we all know, anybody can edit that thing.

MedicCook
06-20-2008, 01:59 AM
The question with all this is at what point does someone have to step in and say that is over the limit and who is that person to say that and who should get to pick the person to decide?

Thomas the Solitary
06-20-2008, 02:41 AM
Yeah, exactly like what I was trying to say before... I can't start worrying about this stuff or I'd be a slobbering mess in the corner.

Sometimes I get that way, anyway, but I try to keep it under control.

Thomas the Solitary
06-14-2011, 02:12 AM
Hey, we actually have a Witness on the board now, we can ask her!