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MedicCook
12-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Widow sues bars in DWI case

Legal action upsets family of teen also killed in June crash

BALLSTON SPA -- The widow of a Greenfield man who police say caused a fatal crash in June because he was drunk has sued the bars where he was drinking that night.

Both Michael Arpey, 44, and Ed Loomis, 17, died when Arpey's truck collided with Loomis' car on Route 9N.

Police said Loomis was not at fault, but Arpey was driving drunk and speeding when he crossed the center line and hit Loomis head-on.

Arpey's wife, Melissa Arpey, named the bars It's Confidential and Saratoga City Tavern, both on Caroline Street in Saratoga Springs. According to court papers filed in the Saratoga County Court, the bartenders served Arpey too many drinks the night of June 4 and he died in a car crash as a result.

Melissa Arpey and her 1-year-old son, Myles, are named as plaintiffs who lost "financial support and parental services" as a result of Michael Arpey's death.

The lawsuit doesn't mention Loomis, a city football player who worked at the Spa City Diner to help his mother, a single parent. Loomis was on his way home from a friend's house the night he died; the force of the crash threw him from his 1990 Pontiac sedan even thought he was wearing a seatbelt.

The Loomis family attorney, Oscar Schreiber, said he plans to file a similar lawsuit Monday, also naming It's Confidential and Saratoga City Tavern. Schreiber said the suit would name Arpey's estate as well, but Melissa Arpey has yet to create an estate in her husband's name an insult to the Loomis family, who might be eligible for some money from the estate, Schreiber said.

"As a lawyer, I can see what they're doing," Schreiber said of Melissa Arpey's lawsuit. "But as a human being it doesn't sit well with me."

Arpey's lawyer, Matthew McNamara, offered no comment on the claim, but Schreiber said he has spoken to a witness who was drinking with Arpey at It's Confidential at 3 p.m. the afternoon of the crash. Arpey allegedly left the bar, went to Saratoga City Tavern and came back to It's Confidential before leaving for good at 9:35 p.m., nine minutes before the crash.

"The witness said (Arpey) was very, very intoxicated," Schreiber said.

The owners of the bars could not be reached for comment. The companies that own both bars hold state liquor licenses. The tavern is owned by Fitch Bros., Ltd.

In 2005, previous owner Longshot Enterprises was fined $2,000 by the state Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control for violating the terms of its license by operating more bars in the four-story bar than allowed by the liquor license.

Peter Gerstenzang, a DWI defense attorney said the "dram shop law," which allows innocent third parties to sue bars, is hundreds of years old. But even when all the elements are in place for a legal case involving a bar allegedly over serving someone, the facts are hard to prove.

"You have to prove the bartender made an illegal sale, when the customer was visibly intoxicated," Gerstenzang said.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=752036

Donna
12-19-2008, 08:35 PM
these kind of suits happen all the time..........bartenders are VERY strict about cutting people off these days, at least, down here. Believe me, i've had a few arguments over that "just one more" :whistle: and lost

MedicCook
12-20-2008, 12:25 AM
I am not a fan of these lawsuits.

Donna
12-20-2008, 07:45 AM
I am not a fan of these lawsuits.

i'm not either, but ya gotta ask......who is responsible when you've drank more than you remember, you're in oblivion and about to go drive a car..........on the other hand, a bar is a place ya go to get drunk, is it not? It's a good debatable topic, which I'm sure has been touched here b4.

MedicCook
12-20-2008, 01:16 PM
It is not the bars fault that you as an adult decided to get drunk and then drive and kill someone. I feel the same about people who sue the gun companies because their kid was killed by a gun shot. People need to bring the responsibility back to where it belongs and not try to profit off the people/companies who are not breaking the laws.

sws4420
12-20-2008, 01:19 PM
If these types of lawsuits are going to be permitted, bartenders should be allowed to take your keys at the door and not give them back to you until you pass a breathalyzer or some other type of test. Of all the times I've been absolutely shitfaced, I've never thought that it was the fault of the bartender.

MedicCook
12-20-2008, 01:23 PM
Plus most bars have multiple bartenders and they are rotating out during the night also. It is stupid. The way I see it, if you go to a bar in your own car by yourself, you have made the sober judgement that if you drink you will be driving home. You are guilty right there. The bar should not have any liability in the choice you made before you left your house.

trojanmiro
12-20-2008, 01:29 PM
If these types of lawsuits are going to be permitted, bartenders should be allowed to take your keys at the door and not give them back to you until you pass a breathalyzer or some other type of test. Of all the times I've been absolutely shitfaced, I've never thought that it was the fault of the bartender.

with all the sin taxes flooding the market i think its only a matter of time before all cars are to be equipped with a breathalizer to start them.