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sws4420
12-28-2008, 04:56 PM
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A same-sex couple in California has won a federal court ruling that their adopted son's Louisiana birth certificate must bear the names of both adoptive fathers.

U.S. District Judge Jay Zainey wrote that the facts "are so clear" that no trial is needed in the case.

The ruling held that Louisiana's Office of Vital Records must give full faith and credit to the New York State court in which Oren Adar and Mickey Ray Smith of San Diego adopted the boy, he ruled Monday. The office had refused to issue a birth certificate listing both as the boy's legal parents.

Louisiana law does not let two unmarried people adopt a child together, regardless of sex, wrote Carol L. Haynes, representing the state health department and registrar Darlene W. Smith.

The Louisiana vital records office is part of the state Department of Health and Hospitals. Neither Haynes nor a DHH spokeswoman immediately answered a query e-mailed Saturday about whether Louisiana will appeal.

Adar and Smith say they have practical and emotional reasons for wanting both of their names on the birth certificate of the boy, identified only as "J.C. A.-S."

Because Smith's name wasn't on the document, his employer initially refused to enroll the child on his insurance, Smith wrote in a sworn statement. Smith, an accountant, is the family's breadwinner.

The administrator eventually agreed to cover the boy, but "I am forced to go through this process each and every year" to keep him insured, Smith wrote.

"As an adopted child myself, I understand the need a child has to feel like he or she belongs," Smith wrote. "I remember as a child wanting to see my own birth certificate and to see my parents listed because it gave me a sense of belonging, a sense of identity and a sense of dignity."

Adar also said the family often travels, and -- because J. is black and they are white -- an airline worker once stopped them, thinking that they were kidnapping the child. "Every time we fly we fear this could happen again," he wrote.

J. was born about eight weeks prematurely in Shreveport, in late 2005. He spent his first month in the hospital, and weighed 5 pounds when his mother gave him to Adar and Smith that December, according to Adar's statement.

Their adoption was made final on April 27, 2006, their lawsuit states.

Refusing to name both fathers on the birth certificate "singles out unmarried same-sex couples and their adoptive children for unequal treatment for the improper purpose of making them unequal to everyone else," said the lawsuit filed by Regina O. Matthews of New Orleans and Kenneth D. Upton Jr. of Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund Inc. of Dallas.

Earlier this month, New York state officials decided to let married same-sex couples list both their names on their children's birth certificates.

Zainey wrote that Louisiana law requires a new certificate when it gets an adoption decree, and the law does not include any limits or restrictions. The state's arguments would make the adoption law's "plain language ... meaningless by reading in restrictions and requirements that simply are not present in the text of the statute," he wrote.


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Thomas the Solitary
12-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Wow.

I just don't know how to think on this one. I've got both points of view in my head, and they're both valid. I hate it when that happens.

I'm not in that situation, so I guess I don't need to worry about it.

sws4420
12-28-2008, 05:02 PM
In my mind, the clerk and the judge should be charged with falsifying official documents. The kid has one birth mother and one birth father, period. They can legally be the kid's parents, but they are not and never will be his birth parents.

Thomas the Solitary
12-28-2008, 05:05 PM
That's the one. The other is, who cares? What does it really matter? Honestly, think about it. Yes, there are lots of reasons to know who one's birth parents are, health reasons, etc. but... in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter a damn bit.

sws4420
12-28-2008, 05:08 PM
True, but it documents the lineage of a person. It shows who he was born from. It's also not a document that is minor in one's life, it's a birth certificate.

Thomas the Solitary
12-28-2008, 05:12 PM
Yes, I understand that. But... if you look at a larger scale of time. It's totally worthless. Not to an individual person, though.

Not to get all sorts of goofy, but the Roman Empire used to have a celebration similar to our 4th of July. Celebrating Rome Eternal.

I dunno, I'm slipping into a funk because I'm remembering my 30th birthday. I didn't even get any. But hey. At least I got the lawn mowed :dry:

sws4420
12-28-2008, 05:18 PM
Using that logic, everything is pointless.

I didn't get to mow my lawn, so you have that on me.

Thomas the Solitary
12-28-2008, 05:39 PM
Using that logic, everything is pointless.

I didn't get to mow my lawn, so you have that on me.
Yeah, I know it. I'm trying to get over that one.

And it wasn't all that exciting, mowing the lawn.

debbie
12-28-2008, 05:39 PM
I dunno, I'm slipping into a funk because I'm remembering my 30th birthday. I didn't even get any. But hey. At least I got the lawn mowed :dry:

My 30th all I did was cry. I was 8 months pregnant, running on hormones!! It sucked.

sws4420
12-28-2008, 05:43 PM
Yeah, I know it. I'm trying to get over that one.

And it wasn't all that exciting, mowing the lawn.Au contraire, I love mowing my lawn. I have three sons and I'm not even going to bother showing them how to mow the lawn.

MedicCook
12-29-2008, 12:34 AM
Do all adopted children have new birth certificates drawn up to protect the birth parents from being sought out?

Donna
12-29-2008, 08:46 AM
Do all adopted children have new birth certificates drawn up to protect the birth parents from being sought out?

Yes Ryan, at least, mine has my mom & dad who adopted me on it. Now......the one I received last year was different (I've sent for copies many times in my adult life cuz I lose it alot) from previous ones. This last one shows the time of my birth (12:22pm) which I never knew b4, and it also has an attendants name and address on it. Also, there's a spot where it asks "was blood test made? with no "no" answered and where it asks "if blood test was not made, reason why" and it is blanked out.

It also has previous pregnancy history fo the mother, which is my adopted mothers history, even though it doesn't mention the several miscarriages she had.

MedicCook
12-29-2008, 11:28 AM
So if all adopted children are issued revised birth certificates what is the problem with having both gay parents listed on the document. The precident is set that the original lineage is being changed so both new parents should be listed.