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MedicCook
01-08-2009, 05:32 PM
You may be more racist than you think, study says

(CNN) -- Would you get upset if you witnessed an act of racism?

A new study published Thursday in the journal Science suggests many people unconsciously harbor racist attitudes, even though they see themselves as tolerant and egalitarian.

"This study, and a lot of research in social psychology, suggests that there are still really a lot of negative associations with blacks," said Kerry Kawakami, associate professor of psychology at York University in Toronto, Ontario, and lead author of the study. "People are willing to tolerate racism and not stand up against it."

The authors divided 120 non-black participants into the roles of "experiencers" and "forecasters." The "experiencers" were placed in a room with a white person and a black person, who played out pre-arranged scenarios for the experiment. The scenarios began when the black role-player bumped the white role-player's knee when leaving the room.

In the first scenario, the white person did not comment afterwards. In the "moderate" case, the white person said, "Typical, I hate it when black people do that," after the black person left the room. In the "extreme" case, the white person remarked, "Clumsy n****r."

The "forecasters," meanwhile, predicted how they would feel in these situations.

The magnitude of the results surprised even the authors, Kawakami said. Experiencers reported little distress in all three scenarios, much less than the forecasters did in the moderate and severe situations.

"Even using that most extreme comment didn't lead people to be particularly upset," said co-author Elizabeth Dunn, assistant professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver.

Immediately afterwards, the participants were asked to choose either the black person or the white person as a partner for an anagram test. More than half of experiencers chose the white partner -- regardless of the severity of the comment that person made earlier. As for the forecasters, less than half chose the white partner when a comment was made, but most chose the white person when no comment was made.

"Some people might think that they're very egalitarian and they don't have to deal with their prejudices, and that's not related to them at all, when in actual fact they may hold these hidden biases," Kawakami said.

The study is consistent with decades of psychology research pointing to the same thing: People are really bad at predicting their own actions in socially sensitive situations.

"That point is getting renewed attention as researchers develop more extensive evidence establishing reasons to distrust self-report measures concerning racial attitudes," said Anthony Greenwald, professor of psychology at the University of Washington, who was not involved with the study.

The racism study harkens back to Stanley Milgram's famous experiment that began in the early 1960s, in which most people obeyed orders to deliver electric shocks to an innocent person in the next room. Many psychiatrists had predicted that the majority of subjects would stop when the victim protested, but this was not the case. Read more about the Milgram study

Regarding racism, in a famous study from the 1930s, people behaved in a non-racist manner that contradicted what they reported later. Richard LaPiere sent a Chinese couple to restaurants and hotels in the U.S., and most of these establishments accommodated them. But when LaPiere contacted the same places about whether they serve Chinese people, most said they did not.

More recent work by Greenwald and colleagues shows that most people --between 75 and 80 percent -- have implicit, non-overt prejudices against blacks. Their Web site, Project Implicit, has a slew of tests that Web users can take to compare their self-perceptions to their underlying attitudes about people based on different social categories, such as race, age and obesity. Take the Implicit Association Test

What is responsible for these attitudes? Experts say one culprit is images in television, news and film that portray blacks in a negative light.

"I don't think what's in people's heads is going to change until the environment that places these things in their head has changed," Greenwald said.

Parents can also have a big influence, experts say. Related work by Dunn shows that if parents have positive attitudes towards blacks, and they have good relationships with their children, then the children will develop more positive attitudes towards blacks too.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/07/racism.study/index.html

debbie
01-08-2009, 05:43 PM
These kinds of stories piss me off. It's always about the blacks dealing with racism. Like the white man holds the market on racism?!?! Give me a break !!

trojanmiro
01-08-2009, 06:22 PM
i was just about to say, i skimmed the story though and may have missed it, but what about the test dont with black people react to white people. im sick of the whole only white people are racist. each group of ethnicity has racism as bad if not worse then white culture.

sws4420
01-08-2009, 07:36 PM
I actually brought that up during a diversity training class at my last job. It was a black woman running the class and she went on about how oppressed blacks have always been, blah blah blah. So I asked about how shitty blacks typically treat whites badly and why that is never addressed. She said it didn't apply because whites are the dominant race and they are holding the black man down, so when they do it, it's just retaliation, not an actual offensive move.

debbie
01-08-2009, 07:43 PM
I actually brought that up during a diversity training class at my last job. It was a black woman running the class and she went on about how oppressed blacks have always been, blah blah blah. So I asked about how shitty blacks typically treat whites badly and why that is never addressed. She said it didn't apply because whites are the dominant race and they are holding the black man down, so when they do it, it's just retaliation, not an actual offensive move.

Dominant race? What exactally does this mean?

MedicCook
01-08-2009, 08:11 PM
Retailation racism is still racism.

trojanmiro
01-08-2009, 08:33 PM
I actually brought that up during a diversity training class at my last job. It was a black woman running the class and she went on about how oppressed blacks have always been, blah blah blah. So I asked about how shitty blacks typically treat whites badly and why that is never addressed. She said it didn't apply because whites are the dominant race and they are holding the black man down, so when they do it, it's just retaliation, not an actual offensive move.


Retailation racism is still racism.

i dont consider myself racist. but yes when an arrogant black person steps out in front of traffic in troy (which happens quite often) and shows disregard to rules set forth by society, i myself will reply with "fucking niggers". i cant see it as that grossly offensive of a word when they actually great each other with it.

second, i remember several years back the news was saying schenectady was looking for black or hispanic firefighters. so instead of accepting the most qualified people for the job we are gonna base the job decision based on color first, then qualifications. this is absurd and is the exact definition of racism. how can any person fully appreciate getting the job knowing it was basically a hand out. how does someone expect to be shown respect when people arent sure if they actually earned the job or not. affirmative action is not only a social injustice to those who get punished by the system, but also those who benefit from it. for exactly the reason i just stated. if they did indeed acquire a black or hispanic firefighter in that time frame you know damn well everyone is going to assume they did not score highest on the test.

and i agree with ryan, racism is racism no matter which way you try to spin it. society can not expect to succeed and over come these barriers with two sets of rules. if a bunch of fags jump a straight guy, if a bunch of blacks jump a white guy, i wanna see it labled a hate crime just as it would be vise versa. if you want to construct life like the game of golf race cant be the handicap.

LLL
01-08-2009, 09:10 PM
This crap has been going on for years. I was in the service during Nam and I had some black buddies who were great guys and I knew I could depend on them. Then, there was a group of blacks who had serious fuckin attitude and wanted nothing to do with any of us white guys. I think a few of these types were lost in Southeast Asia. Of course, there's always asshole white guys, too. And so it goes..............generation to generation.

trojanmiro
01-08-2009, 11:02 PM
This crap has been going on for years. I was in the service during Nam and I had some black buddies who were great guys and I knew I could depend on them. Then, there was a group of blacks who had serious fuckin attitude and wanted nothing to do with any of us white guys. I think a few of these types were lost in Southeast Asia. Of course, there's always asshole white guys, too. And so it goes..............generation to generation.

i dont argue with any of this. but im just asking that why are only white people considered racist.

MedicCook
01-08-2009, 11:19 PM
Because white's especially white men are the easiest scape goats in this country for everyone's problems.

sws4420
01-08-2009, 11:27 PM
i dont argue with any of this. but im just asking that why are only white people considered racist.Well, the lady running the class actually had the definition of racism on hand, which I found suspicious. Here's what I found on websters.com:
racism - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.SO basically her point was that the whites were the superior race, and the blacks are the inferior race. She contended that racism can only be called racism when the superior race discriminates against the inferior race. When I asked why it wouldn't be considered racism the other way around, she called it reverse racism and not just racism. I told her that racism was merely when someone of one race does something to someone of another race with their race being a reason for such an action and that the label of superior and inferior couldn't be assigned to any race because it's completely subjective of anyone to do that. She disagreed and got very pissed off that I'd say something like that, but I stand by it.

trojanmiro
01-09-2009, 12:22 AM
id stand by it also because that is precisely my logic on it also.