STUDENT BEATS BUS DRIVER

[debbie]

I'm not sure I put this in the correct thread but here goes.
Check this out.
:whoa:


Video : WWMT NEWSCHANNEL 3 (http://www.wwmt.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1111405973&bclid=1137706675&bctid=14788122001)

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KALAMAZOO!

dude. what the fuck. :huh:

[debbie]

KALAMAZOO!



dude. what the fuck. :huh:


I watch this ... and there are sooo many things I would have done as the driver.

First off ... as he was fat mouthing and walking up to the driver ... she should have gunned the engine ... then quick popped the breaks and sent him on his ass.

Then ... if he got up and headed toward her again ... she should have maced him.

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http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1111405973/bclid1137706675/bctid14784678001

[LLL]

If that was my wife that little cocksucker hit like that, he'd find himself with two broken arms and a fractured skull somehow one night......and I'd have no idea how it happened. :swear1:

[debbie]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1111405973/bclid1137706675/bctid14784678001

Thanks for pointing this 2nd link out. Not that is does anything to justify this kids behavior. If he's that wacked out ... he needs to have the parents bring him to and from school.

[mb*]

agreed. if he's a danger to the people around him he shouldn't be on a public bus. how many priors did this kid have? jeez.

bill, can you move this to the new section or something? i want to use the HTML and i cant with it here.

[debbie]

If that was my wife that little cocksucker hit like that, he'd find himself with two broken arms and a fractured skull somehow one night......and I'd have no idea how it happened. :swear1:

These ignorant parents are just making excuses for his behavior.

[sws4420]

I would dare that kid to ever show his face in public again if that driver were someone I knew. Emotionally disturbed or not, an asskicking that bad or worse would have an impact on how he treats people.

I moved it, but what do you need html on for?

[mb*]

i was going to post the videos in the thread so you don't need to go to the website.

[sws4420]

That's ok, the link is enough.

[mb*]

o, fine... :kickcan:

[debbie]

I would dare that kid to ever show his face in public again if that driver were someone I knew. Emotionally disturbed or not, an asskicking that bad or worse would have an impact on how he treats people.

I moved it, but what do you need html on for?



Lemme say something here ... How can we expect anything different from this kid after hearing the parents?? I can assure you ... had that been me or one of my sib that pulled this shit ... when the news crew were interviewing my folks it would have shown both Mom and Dad beating my ass like there was no tomorrow.

[Thomas the Solitary]

the bus was stopped, this guy was probably threatening or something and she pulled off to the side because she didn't want him screwing up the driving while on a road. If that makes sense.

I would have done more than try to hold him back like that other guy did. I would have grabbed him and pushed him down the stairs and then landed on him with my feet or something. My balls may have been dead after that, though. Dunno. I almost punched the screen while watching this :)

also, I don't understand why this is such big news. The guy should just be locked up, no fanfare.
Must be a slow news day or something.

[sws4420]

I would have done more than try to hold him back like that other guy did. I would have grabbed him and pushed him down the stairs and then landed on him with my feet or something. My balls may have been dead after that, though. Dunno. I almost punched the screen while watching this :)Point taken, but the issue is the kid who was violently assaulting the driver, not that the other kid didn't do enough.

[debbie]

Point taken, but the issue is the kid who was violently assaulting the driver, not that the other kid didn't do enough.

Exactally ... if you watch the video again ... the kid setting behind the driver looked all kinds of freaked out at what was going on. These were just kids that probably don't see this kind of shit every day. The one trying to help the driver just had this asshole around the neck ... and that didn't stop his fists from flying. But he tried.

I still say the parents of this kid are in need of some serious beatings too.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I apologize if it sounded like I was saying that the good Samaritan wasn't doing enough, that wasn't my intention. I was just signaling my frustration at not being able to do anything about the situation. I hate these kinds of videos, because they just make me want to do something. I can't.

It doesn't matter if the guy is mentally challenged or whatever, in the heat of the moment, he needed to be stopped.

I think the other guy with his arms around the neck? he was probably afraid of getting into trouble with using violence, so that's all he did.

[debbie]

I apologize if it sounded like I was saying that the good Samaritan wasn't doing enough, that wasn't my intention. I was just signaling my frustration at not being able to do anything about the situation. I hate these kinds of videos, because they just make me want to do something. I can't.

It doesn't matter if the guy is mentally challenged or whatever, in the heat of the moment, he needed to be stopped.

I think the other guy with his arms around the neck? he was probably afraid of getting into trouble with using violence, so that's all he did.



I agree ... this kid didn't have a clue what he was doing but he just knew this other kid needed to be stopped.

I believe bus drivers should be able to use tazers and mace when needed.

[sws4420]

There's times I wish that someone would walk up to me like that and start hitting me. Christ, if I knew it'd be on video and it was already caught that I didn't start it, it'd be on.

[debbie]

There's times I wish that someone would walk up to me like that and start hitting me. Christ, if I knew it'd be on video and it was already caught that I didn't start it, it'd be on.


I don't know why this woman didn't come up out of her seat unless she was seatbelted in. For me that would have been an auotmatic reaction. Up and swinging.

[Thomas the Solitary]

ok, I finished watching the second video. This is being reported wrong. He's got Schizophrenia. That doesn't mean he's not responsible, because he is, just that he should probably have not been there to begin with.

[debbie]

ok, I finished watching the second video. This is being reported wrong. He's got Schizophrenia. That doesn't mean he's not responsible, because he is, just that he should probably have not been there to begin with.

And because he WAS there ... where does the fault lay?

[Thomas the Solitary]

The kid needs help.

What's the first thing the reporter does? "look at this guys record." Well, no kidding. He's got things going on in his head that he *believes are real*.

Bill: You say "it'd be on" -- what if it happened, just like you say there, and you beat on someone. Then, turns out that it wasn't real. You just walked up to someone, (to their eyes) and started beating on them. To you, they walked up to you and threatened you. There's a camera there that you know about. (which is also not real, but you *know* it's real)

look, this violent school bus kid needs help -- he needs to be separated from society, or at least taken seriously when he starts tossing out warnings.

Christ. This is 2009, people. Schizophrenic people should be taken care of by now.



And because he WAS there ... where does the fault lay?
It's not about finding fault.

[debbie]

The kid needs help.

What's the first thing the reporter does? "look at this guys record." Well, no kidding. He's got things going on in his head that he *believes are real*.

Bill: You say "it'd be on" -- what if it happened, just like you say there, and you beat on someone. Then, turns out that it wasn't real. You just walked up to someone, (to their eyes) and started beating on them. To you, they walked up to you and threatened you. There's a camera there that you know about. (which is also not real, but you *know* it's real)

look, this violent school bus kid needs help -- he needs to be separated from society, or at least taken seriously when he starts tossing out warnings.

Christ. This is 2009, people. Schizophrenic people should be taken care of by now.


It's not about finding fault.

I'll answer this. Its whole thing is beyond the "what if' stage. 1st red flag. The kids rap sheet. This isn't the first time. 2nd red flag. Neither parent would show their face during the interview.
With that ... I say bullshit this kid has problems. He's simply a moron and has been allowed to continue to assume that roll.

[Thomas the Solitary]

they're not showing their faces because the news didn't want to let the identity of the kid known to the general public.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the mental disability. Sticking this guy in juvie would be the worst possible outcome.

The other rap sheet assults are from what, 05? They were probably when the schiz. took over. He's been "good" for years.

There is no cure, only drug therapy.

[sws4420]

It wouldn't matter one bit what they have going on in their mind. That may be upsetting to the hand-wringers, but that's tough shit.

[Thomas the Solitary]

He needs to be removed from society, but not into juvie.
The kid needs help. Plain and simple.

I don't think you understand.

[trojanmiro]

I would dare that kid to ever show his face in public again if that driver were someone I knew. Emotionally disturbed or not, an asskicking that bad or worse would have an impact on how he treats people.


agreed. id beat this fuck into a bloody pulp if this was someone i cared about.

and lowell, no one is dismissing his mental illness. but i believe this goes well beyond that. just listen to the way his father talks. the kid has no parenting what so ever. the way he carries on as a thug on the bus prior to the incident also shows his character. not to mention the fact that he hit a woman.

i actually wouldnt be suprised at all in this situation if this is more along the lines of mental trauma as a kid caused by bad parenting then it is a genetic fault. regardless, he still needs to face consequences for his actions. whether it be removed from society or jailed.

[sws4420]

He needs to be removed from society, but not into juvie.
The kid needs help. Plain and simple.

I don't think you understand.You're right, I'm an idiot.

I'm not in this world to understand everyone's problems, but I do know that someone shouldn't walk up to a bus driver who makes $9 an hour and pummel the shit out of them. Period. Chances are the kid's parents are idiots and don't know how to handle him, the school wants to treat him like he's normal even though he's not, and THAT'S the not the fault of people who are just trying to earn a living doing their job.

[trojanmiro]

He needs to be removed from society, but not into juvie.
The kid needs help. Plain and simple.

I don't think you understand.

people still need to be held accountable for their actions lowell.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I'm in a sticky situation here. I don't want to be defending his actions like they're ok, because they're not.
However, there's more to the situation then meets the eye at first glance.

The more I think about it, the more upset I get. This is one of the worst reporting jobs I've ever seen. Very irresponsible reporting. He should have been going at the mental disability first, then the rap sheet as an extension of that.

There's also the "thug" angle. Just because of his background, and his parents background. Geeze. I don't want to get insulting, because I don't know their background either. But I can think that it's safe to assume (and this may be insulting to them) that there's not a whole lot of education in their background. Probably not a lot of cash coming in. And they have a child that's mentally disabled, and there is no cure.

eh.

bottom line, he needs to be removed from society, or better yet, a closer eye kept on him. I don't advocate removing all mentally disabled people from society, as some of them, if not all given the chance, etc. give something to the general population. For reference, check out that movie "A Beautiful Mind". Dude had Schizophrenia and he won the Nobel Prize.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/John_f_nash_20061102_3.jpg/180px-John_f_nash_20061102_3.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_f_nash_20061102_3.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_f_nash_20061102_3.jpg)
John Nash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash), a US mathematician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematician), began showing signs of paranoid schizophrenia during his college years. Despite having stopped taking his prescribed medication, Nash continued his studies and was awarded the Nobel Prize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize) in 1994. His life was depicted in the 2001 film A Beautiful Mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Beautiful_Mind_%28film%29).


You're right, I'm an idiot.

I'm not in this world to understand everyone's problems, but I do know that someone shouldn't walk up to a bus driver who makes $9 an hour and pummel the shit out of them. Period. Chances are the kid's parents are idiots and don't know how to handle him, the school wants to treat him like he's normal even though he's not, and THAT'S the not the fault of people who are just trying to earn a living doing their job.
we're on the same page :)

(except for you being an idiot. I don't agree with that)

You're better at just getting to the point, I think.

[sws4420]

In my opinion, the video is all that was needed for the story. The surrounding circumstances are irrelevant.

[debbie]

His mother claims he is doctoring and trying different drugs to control the "twins in his head". Don't kids like that get put into "special schools" ?

[sws4420]

Yeah.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/JackNicholson/CuckooPF0182352_400.jpg

[Thomas the Solitary]

That was irresponsible reporting. It just was.

It happened because he was mentally disabled.

I have a problem with sensational news items like this, and that station has a habit of doing that sort of reporting. I've seen it again and again.

I suppose it has it's place, that kind of reporting, but the reponse of the people watching it is all wrong. It should be "well, gee whiz, maybe we should be taking a look at the root cause, and why don't we have more services / help for people with mental disabilities and such" instead of "I'm going to track this sucker down and beat the fuck out of him". I have to admit, I didn't watch the second video to begin with and I wanted to beat him to a bloody pulp myself. Then I watched the second one, and I saw the other circumstances.

I'm currently looking to find something that I can do about this situation in this area.



His mother claims he is doctoring and trying different drugs to control the "twins in his head". Don't kids like that get put into "special schools" ?
Yes, and bill is right with that picture, too.

He actually *was* going to a special school.

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His mother claims he is doctoring and trying different drugs to control the "twins in his head". Don't kids like that get put into "special schools" ?

it mentioned he was in a special school for emotionally something or other in the second video, i think.

[trojanmiro]

i actually couldnt disagree with you more.

mentally disabled people lowell still have the ability to know right from wrong. one outbreak perhaps is somewhat understandable. when your talking several serious charges before he even reaches adult hood its a different story. people pussy foot around these issues too much. you cant spank your kids and so on and so forth. its all liberal bullshit. someone who was just simply doing her job to make a living caught a hell of a beating she didnt deserve. he needs to be punished, not coddled.

john nash wasn't a physical threat to society either. his thought process put himself in harms way and perhaps his immediate family, but i never read about nash facing prosecution for violent behavior.

there is more too it then just him having a mental illness is my point. hes an out of control kid who needs to learn responsibility for his actions.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I don't know the specifics of this kids case.

You're looking at him like he's normal, though, and theres a problem with that. In his mind, it is quite possible that he was defending himself. We just can't know that.

Yes, he needs to be held responsible, but in a way that's productive. We know that he is mentally disabled. He needs to be put in a hospital. Not jail. When a drug & talk therapy is worked out, then he needs to be re-integrated with society. Which means in degrees. If this is not possible, then he's going to be a ward of the state, in constant hospital care.

Does this suck? yes. Is it unavoidable? yes. There is no cure.