Binghamton New York Shooting

[Venus]

A letter from the killer?

http://pressconnects.com/article/20090407/NEWS01/904070435

Here is the text of the letter that was sent to Syracuse cable TV station News 10 Now from a man identifying himself as Jiverly Wong.


Wong was the gunman who killed 13 people, then himself, at the American Civic Association on Friday. The letter was handwritten in all capital letters on two sheets of paper. It was postmarked Friday, April 3, the day of the shootings. The text, as it appears here, is unedited and uncut.

Date March 18 2009

Dear NEW TEN NOW

I am Jiverly Wong shooting the people.

The first I want to say sorry I know a little English. I hope you understand all of this. Of course you need to know why I shooting? Because undercover cop gave me a lot of ass during eighteen years I got seven years and eight month delivery to grocery in the California came back New York on the August 2007.

Let talk about when I live in California. Such as...cop used 24 hours the technique of ultramodern and camera for burn the chemical in my house. For switch the channel time...For adjust the fan. For made me unbreathable. For made me vomit. For connect the music into my ear.

Undercover cop usual coined some nasty was not true about me and spread a rumour to the receiver and some people know me conduce toward many people predudiced and selfish to me...cop made me lost my job...cop put me became poor.

Let talk about when I live at the 28 Baker St. 2nd Floor, Johnson City, New York 13790. It terrible when I live there such as...cop wait until midnight when I off the light and went to the bed. Cop unlock my door and came in take a sit in my room ((cop did it thirteen time on the year 1994 )) on the thirteen time had three time touch me when I sleeping. One time stolen 20 dollar in my wallet. One time used electric gun shoot at the behind my neck. (That time I did not know English)

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From 1990 to 1995 New York undercover cop try to get a car accident with me. Such as when I driving on the highway and on the street undercover cop sunddenly brake the car stop immediately at the of front my car...cop did it 32 time like that during 1990 to 1995 but I never hit the car.

Many time from 1990 to 1997 at the day time...cop exploit unknow English and went to my house knock the door for harass and domineer. Of course during that time cop coined something was not true about me and spread a rumour nasty like the California cop.

From August 2007 until now cop gave me not to much ass only one time cop leave a massage in my voice mail and said (( come back your country )) after five minute I send a text massage to them I said I will call the police and they send it back to me they said they are the police.

Dear New Ten Now. Right now I still get unemploment benefit of the company Shop Vac Endicott. New York State Department of Labor was cheat and unpaid from December 1st 2008 to December 28th 2008 I already claim weekly benefit from that date.

Any way I can not accepted my poor life. Before I cut my poor life I must oneself get a judge job for make an impartial with undercover cop by at least two people with me go to return to the dust of earth.

Already impartial now..cop bring about this shooting. cop must responsible. And you have a nice day.


Note: A copy of the actual letter is at the web site of this article.

[Jimmerz]

yeah, no wonder why the anti gun fags want to make it harder to get a god damn gun.. when retards like this can buy a gun and get a permit to carry it gives them all the reason in the world to want to take the fucking rights of the rest of us away.

[Thomas the Solitary]

This guy has schizophrenia.

[sws4420]

Had.

[Thomas the Solitary]

Oh my dear god.

People are writing about the entirely wrong things. It's not the GUNS that are the problem.

Like this one here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20963.html

[Dave]

This guy has schizophrenia.


*had

[mb*]

Was.
had*

[sws4420]

Lemme guess. It's the mental illness that's the problem. :rolleye:

Before we do this dance again, let me point out that I'd rather have mentally ill people running around without guns than with them, so that makes it a gun control problem.

[LLL]

This sick bastard's sister was upset that the Binghamton Chief of Police labelled him a coward for killing himself. Seemed like a fair characterization to me, along with some other choice words.

[sws4420]

I agree, but I think it would have been more appropriate for him to kill himself and himself only.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I had a real problem with the police calling him a coward too.

What did this policeman want, (the real one), *MORE* people with guns saying "I'M NO COWARD!" and shooting cops? wtf?

That's not even touching the other aspects.

[mb*]

i wish he would have written the damn letter in japanese instead of broken english.

it could have been translated appropriatly.

and obviously this guy had lost it at some point, but maybe all the harrassment shit by the cops is true, and it drove him to the brink. i'm not saying that what he did is right, or excusable, but i don't really think serious mental illness was going on here, and if it was, it's not something that can be picked up on from a poorly written letter.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I believe your reasoning to be flawed.

[mb*]

likewise, babycakes.

but you could tell me why.

[LLL]

Why wear the bullet-proof vest? Did he think someone in this building might have a gun before the cops got there? I don't think so. The cops arrived and he shot himself to avoid taking hits to the arms, legs, etc. once the playing field was levelled. He wanted no agonizing pain like many of his victims probably endured. He was a coward, a pathetic coward.

[mb*]

i think he was a depressed, and angry, and that he blamed the cops for his situation.

schizopheric? i doubt it.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I'm starting to get upset. I need to step back.

I recognize it in the letter. he was schizophrenic. There is no doubt.

[mb*]

how could you recognize anything in that letter? it was written in broken english, for christ sake.

you try to get your point across in a language you barely know and let me know how that works out for you, k?

[sws4420]

I had a real problem with the police callingHe is a fucking coward. He parked his car in front of an exit before he even did anything. He put on a bulletproof vest. That's premeditation. He fired at unarmed people. Why didn't he walk into a live SWAT drill? Because he's a fucking coward, just like all the other cowards that do the same thing from Columbine forward. People have problems with cops. Fine. Shoot at them. Make it fair.

[mb*]

even a mental health professional would need more than that letter to determine a legitimate diagnosis.

[Thomas the Solitary]

:dry:

forget it.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_question.png

[Jimmerz]

Had.

lmfao:rotflmao:

[LLL]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_question.png

That's funny right there. :rotflmao:

[Thomas the Solitary]

Now imagine that happens every day, hell, every 15 minutes with *everything*.
How long does anybody here think they could stand that? How long could you stand being watched and being made fun of going to the bathroom? Eating? Everything!

How long would it take before you cracked and did something about it?

[sws4420]

Like seek mental help? I'd go that route before picking up a gun and killing 14 people.

[Thomas the Solitary]

it's not that easy. For one, those people are real to the person it's affecting. Second, just try calling anyplace for mental health, tell them you're hearing voices. I know, it seems like it'd be cut and dry, but it's not. Try it, if you don't believe me. There's no obligation, no need to give names or anything. See what kind of run around you get.

[mb*]

that's paranoia, not schizophrenia.

they don't always go hand and hand.

and who's to say some of the things this guy is talking about didnt really happen?

[LLL]

I guess I have trouble seeing it, Lowell, because I've always been one to bust chops and have mine busted in return......ever since I was a kid. Some people just take it all way too seriously. Christ, we're all headed for a very long dirt nap. If this guy tried I'm sure he could have found some common ground with people who were nailing him......and gave it back to them. But, no, his answer was to kill 13 innocent human beings and injure many others. Nope, can't see it.

[Thomas the Solitary]

It's schizophrenia when there's a voice, like this guy, or voices.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia


A person diagnosed with schizophrenia may demonstrate auditory hallucinations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination), delusions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion), and disorganized and unusual thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder) and speech; this may range from loss of train of thought and subject flow, with sentences only loosely connected in meaning, to incoherence, known as word salad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophasia), in severe cases. Social isolation commonly occurs for a variety of reasons. Impairment in social cognition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cognition) is associated with schizophrenia, as are symptoms of paranoia from delusions and hallucinations, and the negative symptoms of avolition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition) (apathy or lack of motivation). In one uncommon subtype, the person may be largely mute, remain motionless in bizarre postures, or exhibit purposeless agitation; these are signs of catatonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatonia). No one sign is diagnostic of schizophrenia, and all can occur in other medical and psychiatric conditions.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-3) The current classification of psychoses holds that symptoms need to have been present for at least one month in a period of at least six months of disturbed functioning. A schizophrenia-like psychosis of shorter duration is termed a schizophreniform disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophreniform_disorder).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-3)



Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for much of the time during a one-month period (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).

Delusions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion)
Hallucinations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination)
Disorganized speech, which is a manifestation of formal thought disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder)
Grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatonia) behavior
Negative symptoms—affective flattening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affective_flattening) (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alogia) (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition) (lack or decline in motivation)

If the delusions are judged to be bizarre, or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other, only that symptom is required above. The speech disorganization criterion is only met if it is severe enough to substantially impair communication.
Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset.
Duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least six months. This six-month period must include at least one month of symptoms (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).


Let me translate his letter for you, the way I read it.

[mb*]

i know what schizophrenia is.

what im saying is that you don't know it was all in his head.

[LLL]

I see it as more frustration that life wasn't going the way he wanted it to go. That moved into depression and irrational thinking. Who among us has not had that many times during life's challenges? We either go into a fetal position for awhile and get through it or we seek help or we figure it out somehow and move on. We don't kill innocents.

[Thomas the Solitary]

I've worked for 10 years with people that spoke broken english, and I'm an amateur student of language.




Date March 18 2009

Dear NEW TEN NOW

I am Jiverly Wong shooting the people.

The first I want to say sorry I know a little English. I hope you understand all of this. Of course you need to know why I shooting? Because undercover cop gave me a lot of ass during eighteen years I got seven years and eight month delivery to grocery in the California came back New York on the August 2007.


The obligatory "sorry for the broken english".

This undercover cop he's talking about is the running commentary in his head.
He's trying to explain how long he's worked somewhere, and that this "cop" had been harassing him for 18 years. That's how I read it.



Let talk about when I live in California. Such as...cop used 24 hours the technique of ultramodern and camera for burn the chemical in my house. For switch the channel time...For adjust the fan. For made me unbreathable. For made me vomit. For connect the music into my ear.


These are classic symptoms of Schizophrenia. The "voices" have control. Period.




Undercover cop usual coined some nasty was not true about me and spread a rumour to the receiver and some people know me conduce toward many people predudiced and selfish to me...cop made me lost my job...cop put me became poor.

Let talk about when I live at the 28 Baker St. 2nd Floor, Johnson City, New York 13790. It terrible when I live there such as...cop wait until midnight when I off the light and went to the bed. Cop unlock my door and came in take a sit in my room ((cop did it thirteen time on the year 1994 )) on the thirteen time had three time touch me when I sleeping. One time stolen 20 dollar in my wallet. One time used electric gun shoot at the behind my neck. (That time I did not know English)


Again, more classic symptoms.



Please continue second page thank you.

PAGE 2

From 1990 to 1995 New York undercover cop try to get a car accident with me. Such as when I driving on the highway and on the street undercover cop sunddenly brake the car stop immediately at the of front my car...cop did it 32 time like that during 1990 to 1995 but I never hit the car.

Many time from 1990 to 1997 at the day time...cop exploit unknow English and went to my house knock the door for harass and domineer. Of course during that time cop coined something was not true about me and spread a rumour nasty like the California cop.

From August 2007 until now cop gave me not to much ass only one time cop leave a massage in my voice mail and said (( come back your country )) after five minute I send a text massage to them I said I will call the police and they send it back to me they said they are the police.

Dear New Ten Now. Right now I still get unemploment benefit of the company Shop Vac Endicott. New York State Department of Labor was cheat and unpaid from December 1st 2008 to December 28th 2008 I already claim weekly benefit from that date.

Any way I can not accepted my poor life. Before I cut my poor life I must oneself get a judge job for make an impartial with undercover cop by at least two people with me go to return to the dust of earth.

Already impartial now..cop bring about this shooting. cop must responsible. And you have a nice day.


Note: A copy of the actual letter is at the web site of this article.
[/quote]

And he can't live like this anymore, so he says, fuck you, I'm going to take some people with me. This is what this "cop" gets for harassing me like this, where are the people in charge? why did they let him get away with this? Fuck that asshole, I'm going to show him!

I'm not defending his actions. Lets be clear about that.

I'm upset that he was showing symptoms for years, but nobody bothered to do something about it. Nobody gave a shit. What kind of society are we living in? How could this happen? I don't mean the gun violence, I understand how that happened, it's the root cause that's pissing me off. Because nobody seems to see it, it's plain as fucking day. To me, this is like I say "1+1=2" and everybody tells me, no, you can't know that.

Education is the key. That's about all I can say about it. I'm too worked up about the whole thing to provide a decent education about it, besides, nobody gives a shit anyway.

[mb*]

you can't know that lowell, i'm sorry, i think you're wrong.

we should probably drop it tho, i know it's all going to come down to how i just don't understand, or i just have no idea, anyway.

you know what, i'm going to ammend that. it's not that i don't think there is any validity to what you're saying. i think my main issue is that you're presenting it as fact, when it's not. it's your speculation.

[Donna]

Why wear the bullet-proof vest? Did he think someone in this building might have a gun before the cops got there? I don't think so. The cops arrived and he shot himself to avoid taking hits to the arms, legs, etc. once the playing field was levelled. He wanted no agonizing pain like many of his victims probably endured. He was a coward, a pathetic coward.

RIGHT on the money!!

Schizo? Only a doctor can say so. By reading that, who knows? Lowell, yer not a doctor, and even if you are schizo, it doesn't qualify you to diagnose it. so....you could be wrong, or you could be right. It doesn't make other peoples opinions flawed. It makes them different from yours.


you can't know that lowell, i'm sorry, i think you're wrong.

we should probably drop it tho, i know it's all going to come down to how i just don't understand, or i just have no idea, anyway.

you know what, i'm going to ammend that. it's not that i don't think there is any validity to what you're saying. i think my main issue is that you're presenting it as fact, when it's not. it's your speculation.

my favorite thing you said here, amongst the rest of it is..........'i know it's all going to come down to how i just don't understand, or i just have no idea, anyway.'

and the best part of that is, i'm GRATEFUL i don't understand or know..........nobody will ever know, it's just between him and whoever or whatever it is he is answering to now.

[sws4420]

it's not that easy. For one, those people are real to the person it's affecting. Second, just try calling anyplace for mental health, tell them you're hearing voices. I know, it seems like it'd be cut and dry, but it's not. Try it, if you don't believe me. There's no obligation, no need to give names or anything. See what kind of run around you get.I worked in a mental health facility. I know what it's like and it's not quite like that. Well, NY isn't.


I see it as more frustration that life wasn't going the way he wanted it to go. That moved into depression and irrational thinking. Who among us has not had that many times during life's challenges? We either go into a fetal position for awhile and get through it or we seek help or we figure it out somehow and move on. We don't kill innocents.Exactly. We don't procure and strap on a bulletproof vest and we don't park a car against the emergency exit of the IMMIGRANT OUTREACH program.