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sws4420
04-11-2006, 07:40 AM
Mayvis Coyle, 82, was shuffling with her cane across busy Foothill Boulevard while a traffic police officer watched and waited.

And watched and waited.

Even before Coyle finished crossing the intersection at Woodward Avenue, he had scribbled a $114 ticket for crossing against a don't-walk signal. "I entered the crosswalk, it was green," said Coyle, of Sunland, who is fighting the infraction issued Feb. 15. "It turned red before I could get over. There he was, waiting, the motorcycle cop.

"He said, `You're obstructing the flow of traffic."'

Coyle and other seniors at Monte Vista Mobile Estates are up in arms over signals they say are too short to safely cross the five-lane boulevard.

They say signals turn red before they can reach the opposite curb on Sunland-Tujunga's busiest thoroughfare. They risk their lives each time they enter the crosswalk, they insist. At least one resident calls a cab just to cross the street.

"I can go halfway, then the light changes," said Edith Krause, 78, who uses an electric cart because she has difficulty walking. "I try my darndest to get to the other side without being killed."

So many seniors have complained about hasty intersections that Councilwoman Wendy Greuel asked transportation officials last week to study how to accommodate them.

The standard speed used for timing pedestrians is 4 feet per second.

The Coyle incident "has brought to bear an issue that is relatively common," Greuel said. "We should look at those areas with predominantly seniors and accommodate their needs in intersections."

The danger to pedestrians - particularly senior citizens - is acute, Los Angeles police say. Of the 94 pedestrians killed in the San Fernando Valley from 2003-05 while crossing the street, 31 were seniors.

Sgt. Mike Zaboski of the Valley Traffic Division said he couldn't comment on Coyle's ticket, that it was her word against the officer who cited her - identified only as Officer Kelly - as to whether she entered the crosswalk on the green.

"Right now, pedestrian accidents are above normal," he said Friday. "We're looking out for pedestrians - people who think they have carte blanche in crossing the street.

"I'd rather not have angry pedestrians," he said of those like Coyle. "But I'd rather have them be alive."

"It's a safety concern," added Jerry Baik, an assistant supervisor of trials for City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo, whose office prosecutes traffic infractions like Coyle's.

"It's the officer's observation ... that she was acting in a dangerous way to herself as well as oncoming traffic."

Others besides Coyle, however, say signals on Foothill prompt a foot race to the other side.

On Friday, students ran - not walked - to make the lights, measured at 20 seconds from green to red.

"It sucks," said Sara Johnson, 14, of Sunland, who had just scampered with friends across the crosswalk at Woodward. "When the light turns red, you can't cross the street."

Chung Kim, manager of Jimmie Dean's Charbroiled Burgers at Foothill and Woodward, has seen close calls.

"Very hard to cross," he said, watching the intersection from his grill, "because signal's too short, the cars go so fast, every car over 45 miles per hour. It's crazy."

Coyle, a Cherokee medicine woman who splits her time between Sunland and the mountains above Sedalia, Colo., has done everything to fight her ticket, including send letters to Greuel's office.

The octogenarian, who has no phone or car, said she was simply hefting her groceries home when she not only got trapped in a busy intersection but got a ticket from a cop to boot.

"I think it's completely outrageous," said Coyle, wearing an Indian feather cap and homemade rock pendant. "I can't walk without a stick and I lose my balance.

"He treated me like a 6-year-old, like I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in shock that somebody's going to stop me on a green light while crossing the street."


http://www.dailynews.com/ci_3692441

Bob
04-11-2006, 08:02 AM
What the hell is so important that these old people need to cross the street? Do like most old people, stay inside. Call someone to help. Anything. It keeps you around longer.

Really though, I'm not bothered by the fact that this old hag got some ticket she deserved but by the fact that this is somehow newworthy. Yeah, it got Bill's attention and mine but why oh fucking why is this worthy of print over a goddamn $114 ticket. Even the old people in today's society are becoming whiners. This doesn't mean I don't like old people, they just need to learn to move faster. God forbid they can't do something like crossing the street in a timely manner but that's ok cause all those people in those cars can wait for me. Now, try to do the same thing to an old person standing in line for their medications or holy shit ... charge them regular price for a fucking cup of coffee. Hell will break lose and canes will go flying.
And why hasn't anyone else learned that from the one smart old guy. If they carpool the taxi over to the other side of the street, it might be cheaper than $114 tickets.

Cutesunshine
04-11-2006, 08:04 AM
That was a horrible thing to say bob.


I think it's fucked up that the cop waited for her to cross. Maybe she should have crossed in a less busy area... but to write her a ticket for a disability based on her age is fucked up. It'd be like writing a ticket to a retard for licking the store window.

Bob
04-11-2006, 08:13 AM
Exactly. So there should be some sort of assisted living program near her willing to help her out. She may be one of those stubborn old ladies who doesn't want help from anyone until she's being 'infringed upon'. C'mon I love old people, but there are responsibilities for your actions. If you can't cross the street fast enough, find other methods to do so. It's called survival of the fittest. They took care of the Japs and the German's but they can't cross the road. Find other means and stop your whining and go play bingo. Wait that's it. There's a bingo hall across the street right next to the little convenient store all the old people get their medication and food from. There it is. That makes sense now.

sws4420
04-11-2006, 09:05 AM
I have a few different opinions of this story and those conflict in my head.

1.) Traffic needs to flow. Period. It needs to flow uninterrupted, especially in certain parts of the country. There was an accident on 90 yesterday that backed traffic up for miles and miles. Not that it was an old lady, but normal course of business requires that people and goods get from point A to point B in a timely fashion.

2.) Those walk signals aren't long enough in a lot of cases. I walk the boys up to the ice cream place up my street and we have to cross Central Avenue. Walking with a wagon behind me and a 6 year old who is learning how to ride a bike across a road like Central Avenue can't be done in the 10 seconds they allow. It doesn't say in this particular story, but I read in another story that the road is like 5 lanes across. Let's assume that each lane is 10-12 feet wide, that's 50-60 feet for an old person to shuffle across in what, 15 seconds?

3.) Working with old people for the short time that I have, I know that 4 feet per second isn't their average speed. Try walking down a hallway behind one or more old people with a cane or a walker. It isn't possible if you have somewhere you need to be anytime soon. They have lived their whole lives and at this late stage of the game, there is no more fast moving.

4.) Why didn't this guy get out and help this lady across the street in a faster manner? He's a fucking officer of the law. He should be more concerned with public safety than with public convenience. It said right in the article, and he seems proud of the fact that, he was writing the ticket while the lady was still crossing the street. Couldn't he have used that time in the interest of public safety to get the lady across the street safely?

Bob
04-11-2006, 09:31 AM
4.) Why didn't this guy get out and help this lady across the street in a faster manner? He's a fucking officer of the law. He should be more concerned with public safety than with public convenience. It said right in the article, and he seems proud of the fact that, he was writing the ticket while the lady was still crossing the street. Couldn't he have used that time in the interest of public safety to get the lady across the street safely?

Yeah but then it would'nt have been an article in the paper and our lives would be none the different.
That said, I agree that several factors could be changed. The cop could've helped, the lights could be longer. However today's society has become so fast paced that there aren't enough people who are pedestrian's as compared to drivers. You take care of the bigger of the two. Most likely the drivers, so you cater to their needs. Big business's make money off of drivers. Where's the money in pedestrians? Sad to say but this is the state of affairs everything comes down to in this country. Money talks, pedestrians scamper.

Edit: I have no idea why I feel like voicing my concerns on this particular issue. Maybe I'm starting to re-live my 'downfall of democracy'.

Cutesunshine
04-11-2006, 09:46 AM
It bothers me horribly because these seniors, these old people, did more for our country to make it what it is than we will do in a lifetime. They deserve respect. I hate people who dont love seniors. I personally think they're absolutely adorable.
This woman was out there doing what she has to, to live. And she gets a ticket for it? She cant probably drive anymore... but if she did, we'd bitch about that too.
Fact is, no one respects people over 65. And it's sad. If that were the cops grandmother, would he have written the ticket then?
Disgusting.

sws4420
04-11-2006, 11:31 AM
lol @ the Grandma theory.

Cutesunshine
04-11-2006, 11:51 AM
Fuck you grandma.

sws4420
04-11-2006, 11:53 AM
I don't care if you don't wanna take a shower, you're getting one...



....Grandma.

Cutesunshine
04-11-2006, 12:08 PM
You dont need your teeth to eat... christ stop bitching.....




.....grandma

Bob
04-11-2006, 12:12 PM
Depends.

... grandma