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MedicCook
09-14-2006, 08:09 PM
House approves U.S.-Mexican border fence
How to pay for multi-billion dollar fence still undetermined

WASHINGTON - The House voted for the second time in a year to erect a fence along a third of the U.S.-Mexican border, part of a Republican effort to keep illegal immigration an issue before voters.

A new 700 miles of double-layered fencing won approval on a 283-138 vote, a bigger margin than last December when the House passed it as part of a broader bill that also would have made being an illegal immigrant a felony. The nearly 2,000-mile border now has about 75 miles of fencing.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said the separate fence bill was needed to show Americans "we can take meaningful action to secure the border."

Major bill differences
The House's bill last December and one passed by the Senate last May are so far apart on issues that Republican leaders haven't even tried to negotiate a compromise.

The main difference is that the Senate bill would provide legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S., a concept supported by President Bush but opposed by most House Republicans. The Senate bill calls for 370 miles of fencing along the Mexican border.

Supporters of the new House bill said the new fencing would let Border Patrol agents focus more on apprehending illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico rather than having to man the entire border.

"We have to come to grips with the fact that our Border Patrol agents need a border fence on our southern border ... where we're now facing infiltration by members of terrorist organizations like Hezbollah," said Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif

'Political gamemanship'
The bill passed Thursday doesn't pay for the fence. Republicans, estimating the cost at more than $2 billion, said that will be covered in a later spending bill. Democrats estimated the fence would cost $7 billion, based on information from the Department of Homeland Security on costs per mile of a double-layer fence.

"This is nothing more than political gamesmanship in the run-up to the midterm elections. Sounds good. Does nothing," said Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla.

Democrats accused Republicans of playing upon voters' fears to score political points. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, said Republicans were trying to confuse Americans into thinking "Osama Bin Laden is heading north in a sombrero."

The bill also directs the Homeland Security Department to take control of the border in 18 months and gives border agents new authority to stop fleeing vehicles. And it calls for a study of the need for a fence on the U.S.-Canadian border.

Meanwhile, the House Administration Committee approved a bill to make states to ask for photo identification from voters by November 2008 and proof of citizenship by 2010. The full House could vote on it as early as next week.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14839608/

sws4420
09-14-2006, 11:37 PM
They'll probably hire companies who staff illegals to build the damn thing.

MedicCook
09-14-2006, 11:51 PM
This thing is the biggest waste of tax payer money. Mexican's are experts when it come to jumping fences. If you want to keep illegal immigration down you allow the farmers in Texas to patrol thier farmland along the border with guns and an open season permit on Mexican. :hunter:

sws4420
09-14-2006, 11:57 PM
I don't think it's a waste of time in the sense it'll stop people from running across the border. There's been tunnels found. A lot of them are smuggled in trucks.

MedicCook
09-15-2006, 12:07 AM
For all the money that our government will be spending on keeping the Mexican's out of the country it would wind up being cheaper to just let them come over. It is similar to the death penalty in the states that have it. With all the extra trials the death row inmates have it is more expensive to exicute someone then just give them life in prison.

The smart thing would be to make it a little easier for the Mexican's to come over and be a productive part of our workforce and pay into the system like everyone else.

trojanmiro
09-15-2006, 02:02 PM
For all the money that our government will be spending on keeping the Mexican's out of the country it would wind up being cheaper to just let them come over. It is similar to the death penalty in the states that have it. With all the extra trials the death row inmates have it is more expensive to exicute someone then just give them life in prison.

The smart thing would be to make it a little easier for the Mexican's to come over and be a productive part of our workforce and pay into the system like everyone else.
sounds good in theory, but unfortunately doesnt work that way. these illegal immigrants drive down wages for legal hard working citizens. i have no problem with people coming to this country legally, paying taxes and so on and so forth, to pursue a better life. they have ruined all job opportunities in resteraunt and hotels already, and construction in the south. no one will hire a legal skilled citizen for the wage he needs to support his or her family, when they can hire 2 or 3 illegals for the same wage as one legal. when certain jobs are in demand, instead of paying people what they should be paying them to perform the task, they just get mexicans. alot of em are paid in cash, they shack up with 4 familes in a 2 bedroom apartment, and send all their money back home. they dont contribute to the economy in any way shape or form. hospitals lose millions of dollars every year providing health services to illegals who have no form of insurance, and sure as hell arent going to pay the bill. they are a leach and drain on the economy in every way. and their offspring are guaranteed citizenship if they were born here. more tax payer money now with child benefits and all that. its a ridiculous and absurd idea to just give them a free pass to get here. and not to mention how aggrevating and ignorant it is to not learn the language of the country you are residing in. and if you want to wave your mexican flag and talk about your pride, go back to your own fucking country if its so great. we have rules here, apply by them or get the fuck out.

MedicCook
09-16-2006, 10:22 AM
I agree with everything you say. But do you think putting a fence up is really going to anything to stop this from happening? The way to stop the hiring of the illegal's is to start taking down the US employers who hire them. You go to a Rest. and find 6 Mexican's without papers working there, they all get deported back to Mexico and the owner of the Rest. gets hit with a $60,000 fine. They need to know if they employ illegal's then they will be shut down for business. A 6 Billion dollar wall is not going to keep Mexican's out.